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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/7/2010 12:46:12 PM
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greatdivide46
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Now about the prodigal son this says it all. I want you to carefully read this.
Luke 15:24 For this my son (prodigal son) was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry. (Now, if they were merry when he came back, I wonder how they felt when he left)
(color added by me)
A couple of questions come to my mind regarding the the prodigal son:
1) Was he still considered a son when he was dead and lost?
2) Did he get any of his inheritance back or was it all permanently lost?
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/9/2010 5:24:59 PM
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The reason OSAS can be the only true doctrine is because the bible teaches us that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." "The scripture hath concluded all under sin that He might have mercy upon all." "There is none righteous, no, not one." So, if you think that once you are saved that you can lose your salvation by sinning again, then you might as well hang it up, you're doomed, because even he smallest sin will cause you to fall short of the glory of God and lose your salvation. No matter how good you try to be you will never be good enough to to deserve to go to heaven. If you think you can lose your salvation by not working hard enough for Jesus and by sinning and by not staying as close to Jesus as you should,etc. etc. then yhou might be one of those to whom Jesus will say, "I never knew you, depart from me ye workers of iniquity." Then you'll try to say, but Lord, look at all the good deeds we did all our lives, we weren't like other people, extortionists, murderers, rapists, etc.etc. We went to church every Sunday of our lives we gave 10% of our income to help the poor, we tried to follow that which is good all the days of our lives." But Jesus will still say to you,"I neve knew you, depart from me ye workers of iniquity." Why? because doing good all your life does not save you. If you think that your righteous ablity to do the right things can save you then you're going to have a rude awakening when you finally get over to the other side. To really know Jesus in the way He wants to be known you have to depend upon Him and Him alone for your salvation and not on your good works and your own righteous ability to do good. To you who think that jst because you're not a murderer or a drunk or an adulterer or a rapist or guilty of any o the other things that most people consider to be the very worst sins, that this means you are deserving of retaining your salvation, let me tell you right now that you are just as much a sinner as they are and just as undeserving of Salvation as theyare. Your're like the scribes and pharisees who thought they were so righteous and good and obedient to the law and who condemned everyone else who they considered to be lawbreakers.
Second point, "The bible teaches us that "By Grace are ye saved through Faith, an that not of yourelves it is agiftof God, not of works lest any man should boast." "For the wages of Sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life, throuh Jesus Christ our Lord." Get it? It's a gift of God. It's not wages earned for being good. To say that you can lose the free git of Salvation once you have it is to say that it is something you have to pa for yourself instead of accepting it as a free gift. Its like somebody giving you a gift for Christms or your birthday and then telling you that youstill have to pa for it and give him back the money that he spent on it. It woudn't really be a free gift, then would it? I would be somehing that you paid for yourself. You can"t pay for your salvation yourself. Jesus already bought and paid for it. You just have to recieve it and accept it as a free gift and thank Him or it and then it is yours to keep forever.
Jesus said, "I will never leave nor forsake you, and I will be with you always, even unto the end of the world."
Do you believe that Jesus was telling you the truth when He said this or was He lying to you. A simple yes or no will do:
"Yes.I believe that Jesus is telling he truth ad that one I'm saved and I have Jesus and He will neve leave me and therefore I am saved forever." (OSAS).
or "No. I don't believe Jesus was telling me the truth. I believe that if I'm not good enough to deserve it once I'm saved, then He will leave me and I will lose my Salvation."(NOSAS)
Which one of these 2 is it or you?
For me it's yes, I believe Jesus that I am saved forever by His Grace love and mercy and not by my own good works.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/9/2010 5:40:33 PM
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It does cause one who holds to Perseverance of the saints to wonder, but even in light of this scripture, I (or anyone who holds to PoS) could argue, "Though he had works, what good is it without faith?"
While it is true that works completes our faith, I'm not so sure how much faith Judas had to exercise since he was with Jesus personally for three or four years. Of course, I suppose he had to have faith that Jesus was who He said He was, but maybe being able to perform miracles after Jesus gave him the authority to do so wasn't enough convince him. Pure speculation, though, as you said. 
Think how much more Satan was aware of God's might and power than mere mortal Judas. Yet, that knowledge did not keep Satan from choosing rebellion than to remain subservient to God.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/10/2010 12:10:46 PM
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It does cause one who holds to Perseverance of the saints to wonder, but even in light of this scripture, I (or anyone who holds to PoS) could argue, "Though he had works, what good is it without faith?"
While it is true that works completes our faith, I'm not so sure how much faith Judas had to exercise since he was with Jesus personally for three or four years. Of course, I suppose he had to have faith that Jesus was who He said He was, but maybe being able to perform miracles after Jesus gave him the authority to do so wasn't enough convince him. Pure speculation, though, as you said.
Think how much more Satan was aware of God's might and power than mere mortal Judas. Yet, that knowledge did not keep Satan from choosing rebellion than to remain subservient to God.
Absolutely. If it could happen to Satan, it could certainly happen to a human being.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/25/2010 10:20:54 PM
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It does cause one who holds to Perseverance of the saints to wonder, but even in light of this scripture, I (or anyone who holds to PoS) could argue, "Though he had works, what good is it without faith?"
While it is true that works completes our faith, I'm not so sure how much faith Judas had to exercise since he was with Jesus personally for three or four years. Of course, I suppose he had to have faith that Jesus was who He said He was, but maybe being able to perform miracles after Jesus gave him the authority to do so wasn't enough convince him. Pure speculation, though, as you said.
Think how much more Satan was aware of God's might and power than mere mortal Judas. Yet, that knowledge did not keep Satan from choosing rebellion than to remain subservient to God.
Absolutely. If it could happen to Satan, it could certainly happen to a human being.
Satan is an angel (fallen). Satan does NOT and never did have the Holy Spirit in him. You're comparing apples to oranges.
The Epistles refer to the Holy Spirit as a 'down payment', God's 'Seal' on us. We have been bought and God doesn't return the things he buys.
Those with the Spirit in them can never lose their salvation.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/25/2010 11:00:29 PM
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Satan is an angel (fallen). Satan does NOT and never did have the Holy Spirit in him. You're comparing apples to oranges.
The Epistles refer to the Holy Spirit as a 'down payment', God's 'Seal' on us. We have been bought and God doesn't return the things he buys.
Those with the Spirit in them can never lose their salvation.
For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those . . . who have shared in the Holy Spirit . . . if they fall away, as long as they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. (Hebrews 6:4-6).
Looks like scripture disagrees with you.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/25/2010 11:30:26 PM
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Satan is an angel (fallen). Satan does NOT and never did have the Holy Spirit in him. You're comparing apples to oranges.
The Epistles refer to the Holy Spirit as a 'down payment', God's 'Seal' on us. We have been bought and God doesn't return the things he buys.
Those with the Spirit in them can never lose their salvation.
For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those . . . who have shared in the Holy Spirit . . . if they fall away, as long as they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. (Hebrews 6:4-6).
Looks like scripture disagrees with you.
You're misunderstanding this scripture.
'Sharing' in the Holy Spirit is NOT the same as being 'indwelled' by the Holy Spirit.
The author is refering to people who may have hung around with Christians and shared in the 'presence' of the Holy Spirit.
IE...it's like your teenager going to youth group and being surrounded by the love of other teenage Christians..learning about the gospel, but then the next day goes back to his ungodly life. He tasted (Shared) in the Holy Spirit, but denied His power.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 1:16:58 AM
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The KJV uses the phrase "tasted of the Holy Spirit". In other words they enjoyed the presence of the Holy Spirit. They are not sealed with the Holy Spirit. These are persons who don't have the good soil in the parable of the sower and they bear no fruit.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 6:49:53 AM
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You're misunderstanding this scripture.
'Sharing' in the Holy Spirit is NOT the same as being 'indwelled' by the Holy Spirit.
The author is refering to people who may have hung around with Christians and shared in the 'presence' of the Holy Spirit.
IE...it's like your teenager going to youth group and being surrounded by the love of other teenage Christians..learning about the gospel, but then the next day goes back to his ungodly life. He tasted (Shared) in the Holy Spirit, but denied His power.
I guess I see "sharing" as a much closer relationship than you do. In your example I wouldn't say that the individual is "sharing" or "tasting" the love of the other people he's around. Certainly he/she sees what that love is like and may even experience it vicariously, but unless that person has the same love they are not sharing it at all.
Therefore, I believe that sharing and tasting are indeed the same thing as being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. You can't share or taste something if you don't have it.
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"Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, 'I am only joking!'". Proverbs 26:18-19
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 6:52:21 AM
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The KJV uses the phrase "tasted of the Holy Spirit". In other words they enjoyed the presence of the Holy Spirit. They are not sealed with the Holy Spirit. These are persons who don't have the good soil in the parable of the sower and they bear no fruit.
To me, "tasted of the Holy Spirit", implies a much more intimate relationship than merely enjoying the presence of the Holy Spirit. I can enjoy the presence of food, for instance, but when I actually taste that food I'm doing more than simply enjoying its presence.
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"Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, 'I am only joking!'". Proverbs 26:18-19
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 9:40:48 AM
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The KJV uses the phrase "tasted of the Holy Spirit". In other words they enjoyed the presence of the Holy Spirit. They are not sealed with the Holy Spirit. These are persons who don't have the good soil in the parable of the sower and they bear no fruit.
To me, "tasted of the Holy Spirit", implies a much more intimate relationship than merely enjoying the presence of the Holy Spirit. I can enjoy the presence of food, for instance, but when I actually taste that food I'm doing more than simply enjoying its presence.
But to taste food is different than having a full meal of it or even swallowing a mouthful. More than once I have tasted food that I never tried again.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 11:23:20 AM
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But to taste food is different than having a full meal of it or even swallowing a mouthful. More than once I have tasted food that I never tried again.
Jesus Tasted Death- But as we know, he is not in the Grave
so to taste is temporary
People who taste do not get the full amount
nor do they always swallow-
The true effect of something eaten is the nutritional value
A taste not mixed with other properties like the Enzymes will not benefit the body ,
Therefore one can hear the word, and not accept what is true.
For if they accepted this word their would be fruit.
I just believe that is how God set his word up to work. It is the power unto salvation for everyone
that believes, not everyone who merely hears. The word has to be Digested, for it is true Food for
the spirit. (our spirit) Digest mixed with Faith to those that HEAR-
There are probably many reasons why people didn't want to accept the word.
1. They may have liked the position they held (believing they were the better group)
2. They may have seen JESUS coming in another light (physical Kingdom)
3. They may have, not liked change
4. They may have wanted to hold on to tradition
5. Their hearts were never Right.
6. They may have not wanted to give up their ways, or ways of thinking that was surrounded around their beliefs
7. So they harden their heart to the truth-
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 12:19:28 PM
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You're misunderstanding this scripture.
'Sharing' in the Holy Spirit is NOT the same as being 'indwelled' by the Holy Spirit.
The author is refering to people who may have hung around with Christians and shared in the 'presence' of the Holy Spirit.
IE...it's like your teenager going to youth group and being surrounded by the love of other teenage Christians..learning about the gospel, but then the next day goes back to his ungodly life. He tasted (Shared) in the Holy Spirit, but denied His power.
I guess I see "sharing" as a much closer relationship than you do. In your example I wouldn't say that the individual is "sharing" or "tasting" the love of the other people he's around. Certainly he/she sees what that love is like and may even experience it vicariously, but unless that person has the same love they are not sharing it at all.
Therefore, I believe that sharing and tasting are indeed the same thing as being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. You can't share or taste something if you don't have it.
One thing I've learned in Scripture about 'sharing' is that it is the Christians who share God's word. It is the Christians who share God's love...not the other way around. A Christian's relationship with an unbeliever is NOT mutual as some would believe. The Christian does the sharing. The unbeliever has nothing to give back until that person gives his or her life to Christ. Jesus told us to share His gospel the world...He never said anything about unbelievers sharing anything back.
However, the Christians are sharing the Holy Spirit with the unbeliever...so in the sense of the text...the unbeliever IS sharing (tasting) in the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 5:08:51 PM
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One thing I've learned in Scripture about 'sharing' is that it is the Christians who share God's word. It is the Christians who share God's love...not the other way around. A Christian's relationship with an unbeliever is NOT mutual as some would believe. The Christian does the sharing. The unbeliever has nothing to give back until that person gives his or her life to Christ. Jesus told us to share His gospel the world...He never said anything about unbelievers sharing anything back.
However, the Christians are sharing the Holy Spirit with the unbeliever...so in the sense of the text...the unbeliever IS sharing (tasting) in the Holy Spirit.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here. You spend most of your post saying that Christians share with unbelievers and then end up by saying that unbelievers are sharing. So which is it, or is it both -- or neither?
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 5:23:46 PM
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One thing I've learned in Scripture about 'sharing' is that it is the Christians who share God's word. It is the Christians who share God's love...not the other way around. A Christian's relationship with an unbeliever is NOT mutual as some would believe. The Christian does the sharing. The unbeliever has nothing to give back until that person gives his or her life to Christ. Jesus told us to share His gospel the world...He never said anything about unbelievers sharing anything back.
However, the Christians are sharing the Holy Spirit with the unbeliever...so in the sense of the text...the unbeliever IS sharing (tasting) in the Holy Spirit.
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here. You spend most of your post saying that Christians share with unbelievers and then end up by saying that unbelievers are sharing. So which is it, or is it both -- or neither?
I said that the Christian DOES the sharing. The unbeliever receives the sharing, or takes part in being shared with, but doesn't share himself. The unbeliever has nothing to share. Hope that's more clear.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 7:05:50 PM
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I said that the Christian DOES the sharing. The unbeliever receives the sharing, or takes part in being shared with, but doesn't share himself. The unbeliever has nothing to share. Hope that's more clear.
Yep, much more clear. Thanks!!
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 9:17:53 PM
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The KJV uses the phrase "tasted of the Holy Spirit". In other words they enjoyed the presence of the Holy Spirit. They are not sealed with the Holy Spirit. These are persons who don't have the good soil in the parable of the sower and they bear no fruit.
To me, "tasted of the Holy Spirit", implies a much more intimate relationship than merely enjoying the presence of the Holy Spirit. I can enjoy the presence of food, for instance, but when I actually taste that food I'm doing more than simply enjoying its presence.
Whatever you take "taste" to mean, it would be a real stretch to equate it with "sealed" IMO.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/26/2010 10:26:48 PM
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The KJV uses the phrase "tasted of the Holy Spirit". In other words they enjoyed the presence of the Holy Spirit. They are not sealed with the Holy Spirit. These are persons who don't have the good soil in the parable of the sower and they bear no fruit.
To me, "tasted of the Holy Spirit", implies a much more intimate relationship than merely enjoying the presence of the Holy Spirit. I can enjoy the presence of food, for instance, but when I actually taste that food I'm doing more than simply enjoying its presence.
Whatever you take "taste" to mean, it would be a real stretch to equate it with "sealed" IMO.
You're probably right. The version I use says these folks also tasted the heavenly gift, the goodness of the word of God, and the powers of the age to come. In those cases, "taste" probably doesn't mean seal either.
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"Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, 'I am only joking!'". Proverbs 26:18-19
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 8/28/2010 4:54:37 PM
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Satan is an angel (fallen). Satan does NOT and never did have the Holy Spirit in him. You're comparing apples to oranges.
The Epistles refer to the Holy Spirit as a 'down payment', God's 'Seal' on us. We have been bought and God doesn't return the things he buys.
Those with the Spirit in them can never lose their salvation.
For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those . . . who have shared in the Holy Spirit . . . if they fall away, as long as they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. (Hebrews 6:4-6).
Looks like scripture disagrees with you.
Great divide, you are correct. Scripture says otherwise. There are other scriptures in the word of God to back it up.
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 9/1/2010 6:51:37 PM
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If i share a piece of candy with you then you will partake of that candy. So one just hearing the word isnt sharing in the holy spirit. Yes God has sealed us. He sealed us with the seal of ownership.
Ga 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Ga 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Smiles.....
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 9/3/2010 10:00:51 AM
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If i share a piece of candy with you then you will partake of that candy. So one just hearing the word isnt sharing in the holy spirit. Yes God has sealed us. He sealed us with the seal of ownership.
Ga 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Ga 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Smiles.....
I will come back and prove this later- I've found supporting scriptures for the meaning of all these.....just have to fine them. (those that say: have shared in, tasted, made partakers) so bear with me....
But Just for fun: If I shared the word (gospel) with you...then you become a partaker of the word....Is not the word spirit?...Jesus told his disciples...that the words he spoke to them were spirit and LIFE
Partaker is one who share in....A partner is:
* A friend who shares a common interest
The term itself means shared
Remember many are called but few are chosen
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John 6;63The Spirit is the one who gives life; human nature is of no help! 1 The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life
But scriptures for believers (Galatians) have nothing to do with the passage in Hebrews (people who did not mix what they heard with faith Heb 6;4-8)..for people who are sealed remain sealed until the day of redemption.....Ephesians 1;14 " until the redemption of the purchased possession" so don't matter how u interpret SEAL because it is UNTIL the redemption
We know grace are we saved through faith.......we know those..the writer was referring to were those that did not mix what they heard with faith...........the chapter 4 spoke of it- and he used the OLD testament people- to those who heard the gospel in that time...whom also didn't mix what they heard with faith. ( it is those that believe that enter God's rest)
So if grace are we saved through FAITH................it is obvious...they were NEVER SAVED...because if you read....it goes on to say, even though they spoke that way...they were not those....he was speaking about as also in chapter 10;39. Those he was speaking about after they heard did not mix it with faith.....
So the fact they didn't mix what they heard with FAITH proves those who he was Making his point about were not SAVED.
Note that the Gospel was preached to everyone under the heavens:
Therefore to turn away from the gospel after hearing it-is to turn away from Salvation...which results in a dead end (destruction)
NOTES:
Hebrew 10;39
New International Version (©1984)
But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.
New Living Translation (©2007)
But we are not like those who turn away from God to their own destruction. We are the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.
English Standard Version (©2001)
But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
International Standard Version (©2008)
Now, we do not belong to those who turn back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We don't belong with those who turn back and are destroyed. Instead, we belong with those who have faith and are saved.
King James Bible
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
American King James Version
But we are not of them who draw back to perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
American Standard Version
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.
Bible in Basic English
But we are not of those who go back to destruction; but of those who have faith even to the salvation of the soul.
Douay-Rheims Bible
But we are not the children of withdrawing unto perdition, but of faith to the saving of the soul.
Darby Bible Translation
But we are not drawers back to perdition, but of faith to saving the soul.
English Revised Version
But we are not of them that shrink back unto perdition; but of them that have faith unto the saving of the soul.
Webster's Bible Translation
But we are not of them who draw back to perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Weymouth New Testament
But we are not people who shrink back and perish, but are among those who believe and gain possession of their souls.
World English Bible
But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the saving of the soul.
Young's Literal Translation
and we are not of those drawing back to destruction, but of those believing to a preserving of soul.
< Message edited by Corinth7 -- 9/3/2010 11:30:42 AM >
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RE: Uncertainties in Various Security of the Believer B... - 9/3/2010 10:20:27 AM
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Eutychus
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For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38-39)
I'm amazed that some believers like to add to that passage by exempting both future events and the fact that they are "created". Nothing, including myself, is exempt from God's strong arm of safety and security.
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Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." -John 6:29
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