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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/26/2010 9:39:53 PM
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I'm actually tired of the arguing about the money JM, as well as other WoF cult preachers have. We get it....They pervert God's Holy Word for material gain. No doubt about that.
What I fail to understand is how those defending JM never respond with Scriptural support of the documented proof of her blatant false WoF cult teaching.
That's what I care about. Her twisting of God's Word.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 12:01:22 AM
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Self righteous Hardly.
You see honest to goodness children of G-d who see a wolf in sheeps clothing before it smacks them in the face.
I could care less about the money...
...because that takes care of itself. There are many references in the Bible about the pitfalls of money.
Here is a short list of some references for you:
Abraham
Joseph
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Solomon
Job
Joseph of Arimathea
Lydia of Thyatira
I thought money wasn't the issue, yet here we still down that path.
I have to say a quick something here about the "short list of some references" --- as far as I know these "references" [people] in the Bible did not tell people that if they planted a seed into their kingdom/ministry/family, etc., that God would give back to them good measure, pressed down, ... or that God would give them a 100 fold blessing, etc. These people in the Bible earned their own wealth -- and yes the Lord blessed them with their wealth. If I am incorrect here please let me know.
Okay, aside from the wealth issue, how about the teachings of JM then? Her bad teachings have been pointed out through many pages. If we pray this perfect prayer then God is required to do it for us, or we will be set free of that, etc. I know because I used to be really wrapped up in her teachings.
I put her books down when the Lord finally showed me the burden that it puts on people -- because we don't have to "work" to have a relationship with Him. Our prayers don't have to be long and eloquent or perfect in order for God to answer them. I just think there are plenty of other very good teachers out there to listen to, rather than hers. In my humble opinion.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 3:46:53 AM
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THANK YOU SO MUCH TO SOXFAN, KAT D, MOODYEXP, BROSHANE, SONRISE (so so happy you were delivered from that deception PRAIsE GoD!!) and KEN! I have read this ENTIRE thread over the last few weeks. I've been researching Joyce Meyer and others Hank Hanegraff my favorite apologetic has warned us about, mostly because I have close friends who are crazy for JM and Joel Osteen. JM's teachings so blatantly distort the Word and are SELF-centered, I believe, more than Christ-centered. I am an expert in knowing about self centeredness as I am a former Atheist;) anyway. This has been awesome. Ken I love your writings and they are not negative and Its great that you spend time on this stuff. I think its a blessing to us who are called to witness to our loved ones who take these false teachings to heart.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 3:48:03 AM
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and Michelle-erin your posts are very encouraging as well thank you!
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 11:13:15 AM
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What I fail to understand is how those defending JM never respond with Scriptural support of the documented proof of her blatant false WoF cult teaching.
I have asked this many times in these threads on false teachers, and it will never happen, Sox, simply because they can't. And because they can't, they resort to name calling. Thus, those who are able to provide Scriptural support to prove the error of the teaching are referred to as hateful, jealous, spiteful, mean spirited, HH's, condemning, etc.
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Gotta love 'em...it's all they've got. 
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 12:32:13 PM
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Self righteous Hardly. 
You see honest to goodness children of G-d who see a wolf in sheeps clothing before it smacks them in the face.
I could care less about the money...
...because that takes care of itself. There are many references in the Bible about the pitfalls of money.
Here is a short list of some references for you:
Abraham
Joseph
David
Solomon
Job
Joseph of Arimathea
Lydia of Thyatira
I thought money wasn't the issue, yet here we still down that path.
Not really. You are the one who chose to ignore the main gist of my post (Word Faith teaching) and continue to post about money. Nice try.
Actually, you were the one to make another jab about it.
And "the gist" of your post followed your assertion before that one:
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I would post a link or two but would just get attacked for posting links to 'unreliable blogs'.
But then you did.
Aaaaaactually, when you took my little tidbit about not caring about money and isolated it, I felt the need to explain why I didn't really care about the money. And I posted the links because since you wanted to keep talking about money, I may as well post the links anyway.
I mean, I understand why you want to focus on the money, because you feel you can defend JM on this front. Goodness knows no one has yet to defend the WOF teachings. So bravo for finding a front on which you can do battle.
My question is: you take Benny Hinn to task over in his thread, yet you defend Meyer over here, when they are both fruits of the poison Kenyon-Hagin WOF tree. Baffling.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 12:36:10 PM
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What I fail to understand is how those defending JM never respond with Scriptural support of the documented proof of her blatant false WoF cult teaching.
I have asked this many times in these threads on false teachers, and it will never happen, Sox, simply because they can't. And because they can't, they resort to name calling. Thus, those who are able to provide Scriptural support to prove the error of the teaching are referred to as hateful, jealous, spiteful, mean spirited, HH's, condemning, etc.
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Gotta love 'em...it's all they've got.
The only thing I can think of is that Meyer conveys a matronly no-nonsense demeanor and writes self-help books, while not being the charismatic clown that someone like Hinn is. But they both believe the same core WOF doctrine. Puzzling.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 12:43:21 PM
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My question is: you take Benny Hinn to task over in his thread, yet you defend Meyer...
I haven't defended JM here, I just challenged some of the statements in this thread that would sound ludicrous if leveled against your favorite preacher to have ever lived. But it doesn't matter who gets called on such statements, it's okie dokie. I seems like a double standard to me for someone to say one thing, do another, but they give no slack to someone they have labeled a heretic.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 7/27/2010 12:50:18 PM
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My question is: you take Benny Hinn to task over in his thread, yet you defend Meyer...
I haven't defended JM here, I just challenged some of the statements in this thread that would sound ludicrous if leveled against your favorite preacher to have ever lived. But it doesn't matter who gets called on such statements, it's okie dokie. I seems like a double standard to me for someone to say one thing, do another, but they give no slack to someone they have labeled a heretic.
Such as? Referring to the money or the teachings?
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 7:50:32 PM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 9:03:11 PM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
Would you like to be the first to step up and Scripturally defend the teachings of JM that have been proven to be false in this thread?
I'll wait.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 9:04:49 PM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
So prosperity gospel is not way off for ye?
AND ye believe ye is a little god?
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:04:11 PM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
Would you like to be the first to step up and Scripturally defend the teachings of JM that have been proven to be false in this thread?
I'll wait.
I'm not defend her or false doctrine. But let me ask you a question. If you pass JM in heaven will your point still be so important? Certainly not. We will all be serving and loving Jesus. Which is where our focus should be while in earthly service.
Do you believe at the bema judgement Jesus will commend all who exposed wayward christians? Good job Kat_D on wasted time? Wouldn't we be better stewards of His time evangelizing to the lost? Shouldn't the body have a military attitude of, no man left behind? Shouldn't we be pray for christians in error, intsead of enjoying our positions of being right and them wrong?
So my point is not whether she right or wrong. Let us be prayerfully concerned with what God really needs us doing.
I'll wait.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:08:31 PM
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So we just keep giving her and her ilk a pass when they are fleecing the people and spreading false teaching? The whole WOF heresies have done great damage to the evangelical church and the fallout is not pretty.
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RE: Joyce Meyer - 8/2/2010 11:13:01 PM
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THANK YOU SO MUCH TO SOXFAN, KAT D, MOODYEXP, BROSHANE, SONRISE (so so happy you were delivered from that deception PRAIsE GoD!!) and KEN! I have read this ENTIRE thread over the last few weeks. I've been researching Joyce Meyer and others Hank Hanegraff my favorite apologetic has warned us about, mostly because I have close friends who are crazy for JM and Joel Osteen. JM's teachings so blatantly distort the Word and are SELF-centered, I believe, more than Christ-centered. I am an expert in knowing about self centeredness as I am a former Atheist;) anyway. This has been awesome. Ken I love your writings and they are not negative and Its great that you spend time on this stuff. I think its a blessing to us who are called to witness to our loved ones who take these false teachings to heart.
You're welcome and Prasie God you are no longer and atheist, welcome to the family.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:14:39 PM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
Would you like to be the first to step up and Scripturally defend the teachings of JM that have been proven to be false in this thread?
I'll wait.
I'm not defend her or false doctrine. But let me ask you a question. If you pass JM in heaven will your point still be so important? Certainly not. We will all be serving and loving Jesus. Which is where our focus should be while in earthly service.
Do you believe at the bema judgement Jesus will commend all who exposed wayward christians? Good job Kat_D on wasted time? Wouldn't we be better stewards of His time evangelizing to the lost? Shouldn't the body have a military attitude of, no man left behind? Shouldn't we be pray for christians in error, intsead of enjoying our positions of being right and them wrong?
So my point is not whether she right or wrong. Let us be prayerfully concerned with what God really needs us doing.
I'll wait.
Prosperity gospel is NOT the gospel of the scriptures......Jesus depicted by this gospel is another Jesus......
thats a BIG IF.......
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:16:21 PM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
Would you like to be the first to step up and Scripturally defend the teachings of JM that have been proven to be false in this thread?
I'll wait.
I'm not defend her or false doctrine. But let me ask you a question. If you pass JM in heaven will your point still be so important? Certainly not. We will all be serving and loving Jesus. Which is where our focus should be while in earthly service.
Do you believe at the bema judgement Jesus will commend all who exposed wayward christians? Good job Kat_D on wasted time? Wouldn't we be better stewards of His time evangelizing to the lost? Shouldn't the body have a military attitude of, no man left behind? Shouldn't we be pray for christians in error, intsead of enjoying our positions of being right and them wrong?
So my point is not whether she right or wrong. Let us be prayerfully concerned with what God really needs us doing.
I'll wait.
Why do you believe that those who preach a false gospel will be in Heaven? Do you think JW's will be in Heaven, or Mormons or Scientologists?
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:36:00 PM
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I prefer not to be like the Pharisees who sat and waited for Jesus to make a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes in their teachings, and we need to look at the positive stuff. I have no negativity to say on her or many others. Except for the people who are way off, which there are such preachers out there.
AMEN to that. I believe Jesus is well please in the statement you just made.
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No. How you would get that from what I said is funny. Jesus is the way, truth, and life. I said let unity come to the body of Christ. And left no room for cults of lies.
And let all who serve Jesus be concerned with essentials of gospel, evangelism, feeding the hungry, intercession, the greatest commandments as Jesus exampled. And not all this five year ols I'm right and their wrong.
Would you like to be the first to step up and Scripturally defend the teachings of JM that have been proven to be false in this thread?
I'll wait.
I'm not defend her or false doctrine. But let me ask you a question. If you pass JM in heaven will your point still be so important? Certainly not. We will all be serving and loving Jesus. Which is where our focus should be while in earthly service.
Do you believe at the bema judgement Jesus will commend all who exposed wayward christians? Good job Kat_D on wasted time? Wouldn't we be better stewards of His time evangelizing to the lost? Shouldn't the body have a military attitude of, no man left behind? Shouldn't we be pray for christians in error, intsead of enjoying our positions of being right and them wrong?
So my point is not whether she right or wrong. Let us be prayerfully concerned with what God really needs us doing.
I'll wait.
Why do you believe that those who preach a false gospel will be in Heaven? Do you think JW's will be in Heaven, or Mormons or Scientologists?
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:38:47 PM
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How anyone could get I have a all roads lead to the same end theology is funny.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:40:27 PM
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This thread isn't about you but Joyce Meyer. Her teachings, affiliations, theology is what is being discussed. You are new with few posts so quite frankly we really don't know who you are at the moment. As you post more that will change. That's just how it goes on forums.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:45:48 PM
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This thread isn't about you but Joyce Meyer. Her teachings, affiliations, theology is what is being discussed. You are new with few posts so quite frankly we really don't know who you are.
And is this about who I am. No.
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RE: joyce meyer - 8/2/2010 11:57:53 PM
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I was responding to this post of yours:
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How anyone could get I have a all roads lead to the same end theology is funny.
I do suggest that you take the time to read the thread and the other threads on WOF and their leaders so you can see the well documented false teachings. There is a lot of good information in those threads. I used to believe quite a bit of what they were saying until I saw where those teachings originated. Just because it's got Jesus, God, Holy SPirit sprinkled throughout doesn't make it true.
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