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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2010 7:46:48 PM
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themoodyexperience
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any time you speak about someone that is not uplifting .....that is gossiping
Well, and THIS IS ONLY AN ANALOGY (sorry, did want you to accuse me of saying this exactly about Meyer later), if I knew that someone was going to harm someone else, and I warned them about it, would that be gossiping?
Oh, and when Jesus called the moneychangers in the Temple thieves, that wasn't very uplifting. Was He gossiping?
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2010 8:14:09 PM
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i honestly dont know why people on this board posts thread with this kind of content...
Because the Bible commands us to test ALL teaching against Scripture and when it contradicts and/or perverts the Word, it is to be exposed, just as Paul exorted the Bereans to test his teaching against Scripture.
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I don't understand the reasoning behind posting all this about Joyce Meyers...it is beyond my mind why so many people post this kind of stuff
If you browse through this thread as well as threads discussing other leaders of the WoF cult, you will see testimonies by many brothers and sisters that have had their spiritual eyes opened as a result of the facts posted on this forum....Praise God!
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2010 10:02:26 PM
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KenJacobsen
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Please give me an example of how I've "gossiped" about Joyce Meyer.
I've spent many hours examining her teaching in the light of scripture, which you claim you follow...
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I never claimed I follow Joyce Meyer...where did I say that?
I wasn't saying you follow Joyce Meyer, I was saying you claim to follow scripture.
I'd like you to answer my question please -give me an example of how I've "gossiped" about Joyce Meyer.
Perhaps this will help, from Webster's:
gossip |ˈgäsəp|
noun
casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true
You asked me to back up my statement about Meyer's income earlier, accusing me of not having proof, yet I presented extensive documentation, which you seem to have ignored.
As I've said repeatedly, my statements about her teachings are backed up in depth in my piece at http://joycevsjesus.wordpress.com -Meyer's teachings are examined even more extensively in Debbie Dewar's piece in the link on the page, yet you've apparently never bothered to read either so far.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 8:33:50 AM
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i honestly dont know why people on this board posts thread with this kind of content...
Because the Bible commands us to test ALL teaching against Scripture and when it contradicts and/or perverts the Word, it is to be exposed, just as Paul exorted the Bereans to test his teaching against Scripture.
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I don't understand the reasoning behind posting all this about Joyce Meyers...it is beyond my mind why so many people post this kind of stuff
If you browse through this thread as well as threads discussing other leaders of the WoF cult, you will see testimonies by many brothers and sisters that have had their spiritual eyes opened as a result of the facts posted on this forum....Praise God!
You wrote in the Benny Hinn thread,,
"It's actually nothing more than mass hypnosis. Benny Hinn wouldn't know the Holy Spirit if Benny tripped over Him. Benny is nothing more than a tool of satan"
Im with teclils on this,,, theres too much attacking / gossiping.. Then saying what you did about Benny Hinn was pretty raw and unfounded,, now the Meyer attacks.............
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 1:31:17 PM
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KenJacobsen
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This is not a thread about Benny Hinn, it's about Joyce Meyer.
I'm asking again for any evidence that anything I've said about Meyer so far, either in this thread, or on my wordpress page, is "gossip".
By the way, if anyone would like to find what Joyce Meyer is really like in person, when she's not on the stage, note that Meyer's employees are required to sign an agreement that they will not disclose any information about Meyer that she doesn't want disclosed:
“The ministry requires employees to sign a confidentiality agreement, according to an employee handbook released by attorneys last year. The agreement prohibits employees from "disclosing matters pertaining to members of management which are considered personal or private by them or which would reasonably be considered personal or private."
http://www.urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/2010/02/joyce-meyer-ministries-wants-to-limit-employee-contact-with-sheri-colemans-lawyers.html
Note that the typical purpose of a confidentiality agreement in businesses is to protect trade secrets. Using it to protect the head of the organization from personal scrutiny is, as far as I can tell, highly unusual.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 1:52:22 PM
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FacingFoward
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This is not a thread about Benny Hinn, it's about Joyce Meyer.
I find it disturbing that you accepted the quote without comment,, didnt bother to see that Meyer was tied into the discussion.. You will know them by their fruit...
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 1:53:31 PM
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any time you speak about someone that is not uplifting .....that is gossiping
I hope you know that this is not a Scriptural understanding of gossip.
But any way, it is uplifting to the Gospel of Christ to point out false teaching and false practices.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 2:05:34 PM
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StephK
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sooo what is it that you would like us to do about Joyce Meyers Ministries?
Be wise stewards with the limited funds God has given us. If more people gave to their local churches and various community charities what is given to JMM and all the other money grubbing WOF televangelists they would see a real difference in their communities. Do you know what a community outreach center could do with what Joyce pays for gaudy frou frou?
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 2:10:37 PM
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any time you speak about someone that is not uplifting .....that is gossiping
Telling the truth is not gossiping especially when one is deceiving millions of people with heretical lies and in the process freeing them from their money.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 2:48:32 PM
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So you are accusing the Apostle Paul and Jesus of gossiping?
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any time you speak about someone that is not uplifting .....that is gossiping
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 3:31:25 PM
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juanler
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First off let me say that I do not follow Joyce Meyer or any WOF teacher for that matter. I do have to wonder the point of all of the negativity. Aren't you in essence "preaching to the choir" by posting negativity about Joyce Meyer here? I KNOW that people need to be warned against false teachers, but to just compile a list of her wrongs to present to people who in most instances are already aware of her heresy is like playing a game of "who can find out the most dirt". The things that she teaches go against Scripture, so why is it necessary to dig into every aspect of her personal life?
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 3:48:36 PM
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Here are some examples of what these people describe as "negativity";
“...fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.” 1 Tim 1:18
“...Hymenaeus and Philetus are like that. They have abandoned the truth by claiming that the resurrection has already taken place, and so they destroy the faith of others.” 2 Tim. 2: 17-18
In all my writing about Meyer on my wordpress page, the point is to show how Meyer's teachings lead her followers away from Christ and how the reader can find the way back to the truth, which is Christ himself.
If that's "negativity" I'm very proud to be part of it. I only wish more people would do the same.
< Message edited by KenJacobsen -- 4/8/2010 3:55:15 PM >
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 3:49:41 PM
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teclils
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if you are going to post everything about Joyce Meyer where is it that she had breast cancer and has had a double mas and how much money did she pay for that?
maybe you should do a bible study on what the bible says gossip is and what is says about it...
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 3:50:54 PM
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teclils
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So you are accusing the Apostle Paul and Jesus of gossiping?
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any time you speak about someone that is not uplifting .....that is gossiping
I do not recall any where in the bible Paul or JESUS listing all the things people did or how much they paid for them OR what they did with the money ...if there is show me
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:05:57 PM
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First you're saying we're not saying enough about Meyer, then your'e saying we're saying too much?
If Meyer has nothing to hide about her personal behavior, why does the require her employees to sign a non disclosure agreement forbidding them to talk about anything she doesn't want them to?
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:11:27 PM
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First off let me say that I do not follow Joyce Meyer or any WOF teacher for that matter. I do have to wonder the point of all of the negativity. Aren't you in essence "preaching to the choir" by posting negativity about Joyce Meyer here? I KNOW that people need to be warned against false teachers, but to just compile a list of her wrongs to present to people who in most instances are already aware of her heresy is like playing a game of "who can find out the most dirt". The things that she teaches go against Scripture, so why is it necessary to dig into every aspect of her personal life?
Please understand that not everyone who posts here is a Christian. Stick around long enough and you will see.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:36:26 PM
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The only aspect of Meyer's "personal life" that has been examined in this entire thread is how she spends the millions she's raked in from her followers who are "giving to the Work of God", as she calls it.
That information is not "personal" but required by law to be made public, for the very purpose of preventing the kind of abuses Meyer is guilty of.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:37:06 PM
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teclils
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First you're saying we're not saying enough about Meyer, then your'e saying we're saying too much?
If Meyer has nothing to hide about her personal behavior, why does the require her employees to sign a non disclosure agreement forbidding them to talk about anything she doesn't want them to?
who said that?
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:45:09 PM
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teclils
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The only aspect of Meyer's "personal life" that has been examined in this entire thread is how she spends the millions she's raked in from her followers who are "giving to the Work of God", as she calls it.
That information is not "personal" but required by law to be made public, for the very purpose of preventing the kind of abuses Meyer is guilty of.
you make GOD look small...as if HE cannot do something about a person misrepresenting HIM...that a man has to do something about it
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:50:29 PM
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KenJacobsen
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you make GOD look small...as if HE cannot do something about a person misrepresenting HIM...that a man has to do something about it
Like the apostle Paul did, you mean, in the quote above.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:50:41 PM
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The only aspect of Meyer's "personal life" that has been examined in this entire thread is how she spends the millions she's raked in from her followers who are "giving to the Work of God", as she calls it.
That information is not "personal" but required by law to be made public, for the very purpose of preventing the kind of abuses Meyer is guilty of.
you make GOD look small...as if HE cannot do something about a person misrepresenting HIM...that a man has to do something about it
He is doing something about it. He's blessing those around us with discernment to spread the word about deceivers. Everything He does is not always by divine power; sometimes he uses "man" to do His works.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 4:54:26 PM
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And as I'm pointing out, Meyer makes God look small by making him into little more than a puppet whose strings you can pull to get what you want.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/8/2010 5:02:05 PM
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why do you think we have to post stuff like this and not just bring to GOD in prayer and LET HIM DEAL with the issue...
doing it this way is no differnt then how the "World" does it...we are to be seperate not like the world
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