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RE: joyce meyer - 6/6/2008 8:22:29 AM
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earthless
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Thank you for the offer, but I don't feel led to post any questions here. Honestly, the overall tone of this thread makes me a little uncomfortable. In my humble opinion, direct quotations from her books or tapes that are in contradiction to the Bible are a great deal more effective than posting pictures of her house and belongings and criticizing the way she chooses to dress.
Personally, I find rational, objective arguments much more reliable and convincing than ones laced with sarcasm, condescension, and hostility.
Despite my reservations, I have read through the thread, and I will certainly take into consideration all the points that have been made. I specifically appreciate the posts that included the direct quotations. I doubt I will be posting in this thread again, but I want to say thanks to everyone for the discussion.
Hope you now know that a Christian ought not to adhere to her teachings.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/6/2008 8:23:53 AM
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I'm not sure of it's origin, but if you Google something like "Jesus went to hell", you will find many well known false teachers within the WoF cult (Meyer, Osteen, Copeland, Hagin) that subscribe to this doctrine.
They believe that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient and did not atone for our sins. Rather, he had to decend to hell, fight the devil in some mythical battle, and then become the first "born again" man.
Some (Kenneth Copeland) have as far and blunt as to say that any human being with enough RHEMA (revelation knowledge) could have replaced Jesus.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/6/2008 9:10:40 AM
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I'm not sure of it's origin, but if you Google something like "Jesus went to hell", you will find many well known false teachers within the WoF cult (Meyer, Osteen, Copeland, Hagin) that subscribe to this doctrine.
They believe that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient and did not atone for our sins. Rather, he had to decend to hell, fight the devil in some mythical battle, and then become the first "born again" man.
I never heard of it before Joyce Meyers and others in the WoF. I read half of one book of hers and attended a conference where I just did not get the hype at all. It seemed all she really was focusing on was marketing her wares and some "preaching" going on. I just didn't get what all the hype was over her teaching after that. Granted I was never involved with any WOF Churches for more than a visit because something just wasn't right about them for me. The last time I attended or stepped foot in one was when some lady was naming and claiming that "There was no Hell" quite loudly while the preacher was preaching and he did not rebuke her or tell sit down and listen.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/6/2008 10:27:08 AM
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Interesting little tidbit on Mrs Meyer and her lack of faith in her own theology:
"Joyce Meyer, one of the newest Word of Faith teachers, developed breast cancer in 1989 and was cured through traditional cancer treatment. Meyer even admits in her teaching "Overcoming Adversity" that she chose to undergo traditional treatment rather than stand on the Word of Faith doctrine of claiming her healing."
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/6/2008 10:31:18 AM
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I never heard of it before Joyce Meyers and others in the WoF.
This may help. Scroll down to the section titled "Jesus died spiritually"
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/27/2008 8:00:35 AM
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fanatical,
Welcome to the boards - please feel free to address the 37 pages of written, video, and audio documentation that has been presented about Joyce Meyer's teachings and claims.
The core issue is that her teachings do not pass the test of Scripture - unless you also believe Jesus did not atone for our sins on the cross. Because that one teaching alone objecates what the Word of God teaches and the very passion of Jesus on the cross.
Instead of listening to feelings, which ebb and flow, which are fickle.. as a Christian I recommend you pay heed to the Bible, the Word of God for all of mankind.
I look forward to your responses to how her questioned teachings are indeed biblically correct, thank you.
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RE: joyce meyer - 6/27/2008 10:12:59 AM
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Honestly, the overall tone of this thread makes me a little uncomfortable.
Just try raising objections in one of these "ministries" and watch the "love" and "kindness" pour forth.
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...posting pictures of her house and belongings and criticizing the way she chooses to dress.
Sounds invasive put that way. But it is just spin. A public person with a public "ministry" is stated by a secular real estate blogger to have sold a house to a family member for 7400 dollars that is on the market for 1.995 million and that's of no interest?
Here's what he said: "Joyce must not have very good business savvy to sell a house at such a discount."
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That would be a large difference between perception and reality. Is this a reliable person to listen to, on which to base my life's decisions and relationship with God?
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...laced with sarcasm, condescension, and hostility.
That's better than fear, hero-worship, and heresy.
My definitions aren't taking it any further than yours so perhaps they're both extreme, eh?
If you don't mind my saying so. No offense intended.
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RE: joyce meyer - 3/13/2009 12:34:06 AM
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Joyce Meyer Ministries Accredited by National Financial Accountability Organization
WINCHESTER, Va., Mar. 12 /Christian Newswire/ -- The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA) today announced the accreditation of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo.
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/296469711.html
Now if only she would repent from her false teachings.
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RE: joyce meyer - 3/13/2009 11:27:43 AM
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Joyce Meyer Ministries Accredited by National Financial Accountability Organization
WINCHESTER, Va., Mar. 12 /Christian Newswire/ -- The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA) today announced the accreditation of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo.
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/296469711.html
Now if only she would repent from her false teachings.
Her bigger problem is that her teachings need to be accredited by the Word of God.
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RE: joyce meyer - 3/24/2009 12:58:29 PM
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I will tell you when I got "turned off" of Joyce Meyer. It was when I heard her make the statement about Christ that was in total error, unacceptable and made me realize her view of Christ was less than God in the flesh.
Her message was on us being our own worse enemy or something to that affect, which she's right on that. But then she said that even Jesus when He was a 12 year old boy that He got "ahead of God" and caused grief and worry to His earthly parents. She basically said that Jesus was getting ahead of God's plan (when He remained at the temple) and that He had disobeyed his parents.
That was back sometime in the mid 90's. Haven't listened to her since then. She was always so "funny" how she liked to "talk back to God", too. Big Lady!
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RE: joyce meyer - 3/24/2009 1:42:50 PM
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I will tell you when I got "turned off" of Joyce Meyer. It was when I heard her make the statement about Christ that was in total error, unacceptable and made me realize her view of Christ was less than God in the flesh.
Her message was on us being our own worse enemy or something to that affect, which she's right on that. But then she said that even Jesus when He was a 12 year old boy that He got "ahead of God" and cause grief and worry to His earthly parents. She basically said that Jesus was getting ahead of God's plan and that He had disobeyed his parents.
That was back sometime in the mid 90's. Haven't listened to her since then. She was always so "funny" how she liked to "talk back to God", too. Big Lady!
What is sad, but isn't, is that once our eyes are opened to "one"
of the WoF circuit riders, we then can see the others for what they
are.
I was a bit denser. It took a Todd Bentley to take the crudd from
my eyes. I always just "wondered" about this circuit of riders
going from church to church and from station to station. But, as
I researched Todd Bentley and saw the "connections" of the circuit,
whew...............................
So, I pray that all blood-bought Christians will have such an awakening.
May God have mercy upon us and keep us in the midst of these wolves
in sheeps clothing.
A slick shyster wears a wool-suit. Modern wolve in sheep skin.....LOL
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/3/2009 2:20:45 PM
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Posting to bring this back up to the top. So that those interested in discussing this topic can see that there is a one-stop place to do so.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/3/2009 3:54:12 PM
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It's the political correctness and relativism of the atheist and unbelieving world seeping into those who profess to be Christians.
Same reasons why when most Western Christians are asked if the Bible is God's absolute Word for all of mankind.. they respond with a 'no'.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/4/2009 10:22:52 AM
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It's the political correctness and relativism of the atheist and unbelieving world seeping into those who profess to be Christians.
Same reasons why when most Western Christians are asked if the Bible is God's absolute Word for all of mankind.. they respond with a 'no'.
Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2009 3:42:06 AM
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Here is a picture of her family compound. Because the ministry pays for all this this they don't have to pay income tax on the money first like most of us have to when we buy a home and pay people to cut the grass.
http://graphics.stltoday.com/infographics/joycemeyer/joycemeyer4.html
Hmm, we are looking at getting a $500K house. That's kind of middle-range around here. We don't relly need a bigger house, i mean we could continue to live in what we have, but we want to live more comfortably. We don't give money to any church and we do not preach the gospel. So as far as Joyce's home, yeah, she could live with less, but I don't know if you'd call her family's homes extravagent. It's all relative and where do you draw the line? And so what if the ministry pays for it? That's her livelihood!
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2009 8:21:29 AM
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Like I said some 20 pages ago..
Joyce's finances, homes, etc.. are the absolute LEAST of concerns. The problem is with her false teachings, preaching a Jesus not found in Scripture, etc..
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2009 2:35:49 PM
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Hmm, we are looking at getting a $500K house. That's kind of middle-range around here. We don't relly need a bigger house, i mean we could continue to live in what we have, but we want to live more comfortably. We don't give money to any church and we do not preach the gospel. So as far as Joyce's home, yeah, she could live with less, but I don't know if you'd call her family's homes extravagent. It's all relative and where do you draw the line? And so what if the ministry pays for it? That's her livelihood!
I think the bigger problem is HOW she earns the money.
She collects millions a year by going around speaking, preaching in her WOF heresy, that if the people will give money to her ministry, that God will bless them ten-fold.
She then takes that money and goes and buys another car (she has 8 or 9, i think) to match her $26 million personal jet.
This is God's money, not Joyce's, and it was given in faith (albeit it misplaced faith) to God, and it only went to make Joyce live more comfortably.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2009 5:04:33 PM
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I'm not sure of it's origin, but if you Google something like "Jesus went to hell", you will find many well known false teachers within the WoF cult (Meyer, Osteen, Copeland, Hagin) that subscribe to this doctrine.
They believe that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient and did not atone for our sins. Rather, he had to decend to hell, fight the devil in some mythical battle, and then become the first "born again" man.
Some (Kenneth Copeland) have as far and blunt as to say that any human being with enough RHEMA (revelation knowledge) could have replaced Jesus.
One of the WOFers (I believe it was Copeland) said that Jesus had the possibility to be defeated by Satan. This is Open Theism. Clearly they preach another Jesus and another Father God.
Spiritual discernment today is so shallow if not non-existent in many churches and so-called Christian circles. Biblical Christian Apologetics is a very needed today but in many places it's scorned because it is looked upon as "mean." To those of you in here that defend the Gospel against these false teachings, I applaud you for your courage to do so.
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RE: joyce meyer - 4/7/2009 10:41:23 PM
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This is God's money, not Joyce's, and it was given in faith (albeit it misplaced faith) to God, and it only went to make Joyce live more comfortably.
Dont think the Lord will want anything to do with that .......which comes from deceit 
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