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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2010 6:38:28 PM
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IMO If your spouse divorces you for no scriptural reason, he/she is commiting adultery by remarrying.
If he/she is committing adultery, you will commit adultery IF you remarry.
So NO, the marriage covenant is not annulled by such actions.
What would be a scriptural reason? The only clause I found and barely one if you can call it that is marital unfaithfulness, which is exactly what? adultery?
If I understand you rightly, if your spouse divorces you and marries another then the one who didn't want the divorce is left alone for the rest of their lives hoping their former spouses second marriage doesn't work out and that they remarry them? We ought to fight for our marriages, I agree and we ought always to have hope and faith in a God who restores, but at what point do we let the wandering spouse go. Can we force them to stay where they don't want to be? I don't see God forcing anyone to follow Him.
Soory. i have to correct a statement that i made.
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If he/she is committing adultery, you will NOT commit adultery IF you remarry
Yes. The only allowable circumstance appears to be divorce.
This is how i see it. First of all, its not about US and what WE want.
Its about God's perfect will. God's perfect will is a marriage of "for better, for worse Till Death do us part"
This has NEVER changed.
If we go against His will,then there are consequences to bear.
If we divorce as we like (unbiblically), irrespective whether one spouse wants it, the consequence of getting married again is as Jesus puts it as adultery.
So its not a question of what we have to bear with. Its a question of God's will and the consequence of going against it.
Its like the consequence of jumping off a high building(without equipment) is.......doesnt matter how we rationalise it, we cannot change ceratin consequnces.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2010 6:43:12 PM
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You did not answer the second question.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2010 6:46:03 PM
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I figured out how one can have REMARRIAGE-THIS-SIDE-OF-DEATH.
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Just put the spouse on the OTHER-SIDE-OF-DEATH.
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Yes. Since murder is a one time sin, versus living in sin of remarriage which is a continual sinful life - it logically follows the only way to remarry is off one's spouse.
Do I have it right?
 huckfinn327, love you bro. 
Your violent idea and thought toward marriage, (murder), has been on the mind of men ever since Jesus preached His permanency doctrine. Augustine, an early chruch father, combated this violent "thought" toward marriage in the Church in his day.
I believe that your "idea" (murder) is the exact definition of "HARDNESS" that Jesus addressed in His marriage/divorce/remarriage debate with the Pharisees. Hardness of heart was the reason God permitted Moses to offer violent man the concession (precept not a law) to divorce in the first place.
Mar 10:4,5 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
Early man, Lamech, Gen. 4 did what men did prior to divorce and remarriage ... they just committed polygamy. Martin Luther thought polygamy was more tolerable than divorce and remarraige.
So, Huperetes, your opinion is just a view of violence, it is not "new" information.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2010 6:51:41 PM
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You did not answer the second question.
Just corrected that....
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2010 8:49:29 PM
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It was in jest, huckfinn327.
I have a problem with ignoring the victim of a divorce. I have asked this before but never got a straight answer.
The woman is adulterous, divorces, marries an other man... This happens often.
Under your interpretations, the man from the first marriage cannot marry, nor can he remarry (or take back) the first wife.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/4/2010 10:17:31 PM
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It was in jest, huckfinn327.
I have a problem with ignoring the victim of a divorce. I have asked this before but never got a straight answer.
The woman is adulterous, divorces, marries an other man... This happens often.
Under your interpretations, the man from the first marriage cannot marry, nor can he remarry (or take back) the first wife.
Marriage is permanent this side of death ... thus divorce is a myth (J. Carl Laney) ... Gomer is still the wife of Hosea (this side of death). Thus for the sake of discussion the man above can "remarry" the penitent adulteress. Jesus abrogates the "concessoin-precept, divorce" (Deut. 24:1) thus the abomination of (Deut. 24:4) is mute.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 7:40:06 AM
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It was in jest, huckfinn327.
I have a problem with ignoring the victim of a divorce. I have asked this before but never got a straight answer.
The woman is adulterous, divorces, marries an other man... This happens often.
Under your interpretations, the man from the first marriage cannot marry, nor can he remarry (or take back) the first wife.
Marriage is permanent this side of death ... thus divorce is a myth (J. Carl Laney) ... Gomer is still the wife of Hosea (this side of death). Thus for the sake of discussion the man above can "remarry" the penitent adulteress. Jesus abrogates the "concessoin-precept, divorce" (Deut. 24:1) thus the abomination of (Deut. 24:4) is mute.
Not even the early church fathers, whom the MDR people are so fond of quoting, believed this! And there is clearly nothing in Jesus words that indicated that he condoned reconciliation after someone had married another spouse; he indicates quite strongly in Mt. 5 that did not. This is a good example of exaulting the heretical beliefs of MDR above the word of God.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 8:32:49 AM
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thus the abomination of (Deut. 24:4) is mute. I am absolutely in terror of calling ANYTHING listed ANYWHERE in scripture as an "abomination" meaning something utterly detestable to God to have been abrogated or overwritten and thusly now to be considered acceptable.
Is that not calling evil good? and as a result being listed as a false prophet or teacher?
Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 10:26:59 AM
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It was in jest, huckfinn327.
I have a problem with ignoring the victim of a divorce. I have asked this before but never got a straight answer.
The woman is adulterous, divorces, marries an other man... This happens often.
Under your interpretations, the man from the first marriage cannot marry, nor can he remarry (or take back) the first wife.
Marriage is permanent this side of death ... thus divorce is a myth (J. Carl Laney) ... Gomer is still the wife of Hosea (this side of death). Thus for the sake of discussion the man above can "remarry" the penitent adulteress. Jesus abrogates the "concessoin-precept, divorce" (Deut. 24:1) thus the abomination of (Deut. 24:4) is mute.
Not even the early church fathers, whom the MDR people are so fond of quoting, believed this! And there is clearly nothing in Jesus words that indicated that he condoned reconciliation after someone had married another spouse; he indicates quite strongly in Mt. 5 that did not. This is a good example of exaulting the heretical beliefs of MDR above the word of God.
Regarding Mt. 5:32 ... the only way you can interpret that to permit remarriage is to understand porneia to include "adultery" ... it certainly cannot include "adultery" since Jesus came to Establish The Law ... He did not come to destroy the Law. The penalty for "adultery" under the Law was clearly the penalty of death ... the Roman occupation did not have the power to destroy the Law or to annul the Law. Jesus, the King of Kings, was literally the King of the Jews.
Deu 22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Divorce is a myth and remarriage after divorce is adultery ... it is never marriage.
Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
If you "correctly read" my post to which you take objection you will read these words: "for the sake of this discussion." Those words are deliberately related to the previous thought that divorce-is-a-myth. Therefore if divorce is a myth then anyone who is remarried-this-side-of-death in living in a state of adultey. Their union is not marriage. The initial remarriage of Deut. 24:1,2 is void by Jesus' doctrine of marriage-permanency.
Your tick about the Church Fathers is nonsense. Augustine clearly taught No-Remarriage-This-Side-Of-Death. To him such a remarriage was what he referred to as an Adulterous Marriage period. In other words it was in fact no marriage at all. He always preached "reconcilation" as the only hope of those who were separated by any type of sin that caused excommunication with the Church.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 10:41:03 AM
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thus the abomination of (Deut. 24:4) is mute. I am absolutely in terror of calling ANYTHING listed ANYWHERE in scripture as an "abomination" meaning something utterly detestable to God to have been abrogated or overwritten and thusly now to be considered acceptable.
Is that not calling evil good? and as a result being listed as a false prophet or teacher?
Isa 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
Lev 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an ABOMINATION unto you:
Lev 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
The evil is remarriage-this-side-of-death. ... and those who preach remarriage-this-side-of-death have the greater fear of being among those prophets your describe.
Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 10:44:37 AM
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Regarding Mt. 5:32 ... the only way you can interpret that to permit remarriage is to understand porneia to include "adultery" ... it certainly cannot include "adultery" since Jesus came to Establish The Law ... He did not come to destroy the Law.
1) The Law that Jesus "did not come to destroy" was given in Duet 24:1-4 regarding divorce and remarriage.
2) Yes, porneia absolutely CAN mean adultery. It did in the book of Hosea (The Greek LXX) where the word porneia is used to describe the sexual infidelity of Hosea's wife during their marriage, and when Paul addresses the issue of adultery in the Corinthian church when a man committed adultery with his father's wife again the word used of sexual infidelity within marriage was "porneia", and in Sir 23:23 it is explicitly used to describe the sin of adultery, so yes it CAN mean "adultery" i.e. sexual infidelity within marriage.
But of coarse you already knew that because I already replied to this same false claim here.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 10:55:56 AM
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Regarding Mt. 5:32 ... the only way you can interpret that to permit remarriage is to understand porneia to include "adultery" ... it certainly cannot include "adultery" since Jesus came to Establish The Law ... He did not come to destroy the Law.
1) The Law that Jesus "did not come to destroy" was given in Duet 24:1-4 regarding divorce and remarriage.
2) Yes, porneia absolutely CAN mean adultery. It did in the book of Hosea (The Greek LXX) where the word porneia is used to describe the sexual infidelity of Hosea's wife during their marriage, and when Paul addresses the issue of adultery in the Corinthian church when a man committed adultery with his father's wife again the word used of sexual infidelity within marriage was "porneia", and in Sir 23:23 it is explicitly used to describe the sin of adultery, so yes it CAN mean "adultery" i.e. sexual infidelity within marriage.
But of coarse you already knew that because I already replied to this same false claim here.
Why do you avoid dealing with Deut. 22:22? Certainly Jesus came not to destroy the Law.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 11:39:56 AM
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How does certain types of foods have anything to do with divorce and remarriage?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 1:37:57 PM
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That is LOVELY!
Beautiful references.
Yet, does not answer the question. At all. Gomer did not marry anyone else. So, although that sounds good, it does not fit. She was an adulteress. Not a "divorce/second marriage" issue.
What is my brother to do? WHAT is he to do when his wife did the abomination, and then did an other abomination and lives with an other man and both claim and the world acknowledges that they re-married?
WHAT is he to do? Go over to their house and tell her come home honey, as God according to huckfinn327 says you are doing abominable things?
Maybe drag her home by her hair? Cajole? Beg? Write love notes and quote Bible verses?
... Or should he just castrate himself and live his life as a hermit since she is not coming back?
I wonder if you have eyes or hands, huckfinn327... He did say get rid of it, and I know, I have sinned with my hand and eyes ...
Yes, passionately sore subject. 
Even though we do not agree, I am grateful for your continued responses. I would want a man with such fortitude as you to back me up.
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It was in jest, huckfinn327.
I have a problem with ignoring the victim of a divorce. I have asked this before but never got a straight answer.
The woman is adulterous, divorces, marries an other man... This happens often.
Under your interpretations, the man from the first marriage cannot marry, nor can he remarry (or take back) the first wife.
Marriage is permanent this side of death ... thus divorce is a myth (J. Carl Laney) ... Gomer is still the wife of Hosea (this side of death). Thus for the sake of discussion the man above can "remarry" the penitent adulteress. Jesus abrogates the "concessoin-precept, divorce" (Deut. 24:1) thus the abomination of (Deut. 24:4) is mute.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 2:04:02 PM
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OK....I need clarification of something. I have followed this forum for a while and have listened to both sides, but I have a question. I know a young lady who was pregnant before she got married. (Yes she knows it was wrong, but unfortunately it happend.) The couple married. They had no type of physical relationship after the marriage. His choice. She fought for three years to get him to go to counseling, met with their minister, etc. etc. He refused to go. He would stay late after work, not coming home until early morning hours. Does she know for a fact he was adulterous? No! He just said that he didn't want to be married to her, didn't want to sleep with her, and didn't want to hear her voice. He was not supporting her physically, spiritually, or financially. He moved home with "mama". (He's 39.) That is where he has been for five years. She finally filed for divorce in order to get him to pay child support. I am pretty sure I will get two different sets of answers to this, but are you telling me this will be an unforgivable sin if she remarries? His brother accused him of being "gay".
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 2:14:02 PM
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Maybe this is foolishness, but I just want to post some things.
(Matthew 5:31-32 KJV) It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: {32} But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
(Matthew 19:3-9 KJV) The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? {4} And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, {5} And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? {6} Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. {7} They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? {8} He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. {9} And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
(Mark 10:11-12 KJV) And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. {12} And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
(Luke 16:18 KJV) Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
(1 Corinthians 7:10-11 KJV) And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: {11} But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
I'm sure I could post more, but this was just with a bit of scanning. Let me make a few points.
1. Divorce is only acceptable in the case of a spouse committing adultery and being unrepentant.
2. Even then, remarriage is not acceptable.
However, this should be obvious. The Word speaks clearly on this subject. It's really amazing to me that this topic has so many pages.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 2:40:36 PM
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The fruit of the Spirit is love joy peace, etc. If every remarriage (with a still living ex) is an abomination than how do you explain that some of these "adulterous unions" (as some would describe them) seem to be blessed with the fruit of the Spirit? Just fuel for thought.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 2:54:26 PM
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2. Even then, remarriage is not acceptable.
8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.
9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Who is the "unmarried" in this case? And don't say virgins because he addresses them further down in verse 25.
This tells me those unmarried are the ones spoken of in Deut. 24:1-4.
How do you reconcile that law with what is said here? where do you get that remarriage is not possible at all?
15Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
16For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
17Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk And so I direct in all the churches.
What about this, Cush? it tells me its okay for the believer to marry again if the unbeliever leaves. What do you say about this?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 5:38:23 PM
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OK....I need clarification of something. I have followed this forum for a while and have listened to both sides, but I have a question. I know a young lady who was pregnant before she got married. (Yes she knows it was wrong, but unfortunately it happend.) The couple married. They had no type of physical relationship after the marriage. His choice. She fought for three years to get him to go to counseling, met with their minister, etc. etc. He refused to go. He would stay late after work, not coming home until early morning hours. Does she know for a fact he was adulterous? No! He just said that he didn't want to be married to her, didn't want to sleep with her, and didn't want to hear her voice. He was not supporting her physically, spiritually, or financially. He moved home with "mama". (He's 39.) That is where he has been for five years. She finally filed for divorce in order to get him to pay child support. I am pretty sure I will get two different sets of answers to this, but are you telling me this will be an unforgivable sin if she remarries? His brother accused him of being "gay".
That is a very tough situation with no easy answers. In many states, a woman can file for a legal separation and get child support, but if that is not an option in your friends state then I believe that filing for a legal divorce to force support (that was sinfully withheld) is the right thing to do, but assuming that the divorce automatically ends her responsibility to the covenant she made before God and with her husband is not. Hopefully, your friend will still continue to look for any opportunity to restore her marriage while she is separated and continue to demonstrate Christ's love to her husband.
Is there a point where the sinful rebellion of a spouse is sufficient to break the marriage covenant when there hasn't been sexual infidelity or abandonment by an unbelieving spouse (The two clear circumstances in Scripture that can end a marriage) is a very tough question and we should be very slow in looking for other grounds to break the marriage covenant; recognizing that the time spent waiting, studying God's word, and praying will be invaluable no matter what the final outcome for the marriage is. There are good theological arguments (and many more bad ones) that give Scriptural reasons for ending a marriage when there has not been sexual infidelity or abandonment by an unbeliever, but the only clear passage in Scripture that directly addresses this particular situation is 1 Cor 7:10-11 i.e. "But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband (but if she does leave, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not send his wife away" and this passage indicates rather strongly that in such a situation the desire of God's heart is that one wait while seeking reconciliation.
In my own personal experience, I have never dealt with a case where a spouse was left waiting indefinitely; either the marriage was reconciled (the best possible outcome), or the sinning spouse sought out another relationship. However, no one can make any predictions for your friends future. What I can tell her is that too often we ask the wrong question when confronted by situations like this; instead of asking "What does God desire?", we ask "What will God permit?" In the long run, if she seeks to follow God's heart, even when it hurts, she will find blessing and joy she would have missed by taking "the easy way out".
The answers to your friends situation are not easy, and no one who does not know your friend, her husband, and God's word well can provide an answer other than wait. The only person who can truly give good Godly advice in a situation like this is someone who is willing to sit down with your friend and her husband and honestly and fairly hear both sides of the issues between them, and be willing to lovingly address those issues with both of them.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 5:48:11 PM
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2. Even then, remarriage is not acceptable.
8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.
9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Who is the "unmarried" in this case? And don't say virgins because he addresses them further down in verse 25.
This tells me those unmarried are the ones spoken of in Deut. 24:1-4.
How do you reconcile that law with what is said here? where do you get that remarriage is not possible at all?
15Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
16For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
17Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk And so I direct in all the churches.
What about this, Cush? it tells me its okay for the believer to marry again if the unbeliever leaves. What do you say about this?
Stop bring Scripture into this debate. It is soooooooooo much easier to make dogmatic assertions like the one above when we have the freedom to ignore the Scripture passages we don't like, isn't it? 
P.S. Thank you for demonstrating from Scripture that this topic requires hard work and study, not simple answers.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 6:20:03 PM
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That is LOVELY!
Beautiful references.
Yet, does not answer the question. At all. Gomer did not marry anyone else. So, although that sounds good, it does not fit. She was an adulteress. Not a "divorce/second marriage" issue.
What is my brother to do? WHAT is he to do when his wife did the abomination, and then did an other abomination and lives with an other man and both claim and the world acknowledges that they re-married?
WHAT is he to do? Go over to their house and tell her come home honey, as God according to huckfinn327 says you are doing abominable things?
Maybe drag her home by her hair? Cajole? Beg? Write love notes and quote Bible verses?
... Or should he just castrate himself and live his life as a hermit since she is not coming back?
I wonder if you have eyes or hands, huckfinn327... He did say get rid of it, and I know, I have sinned with my hand and eyes ...
Yes, passionately sore subject.
Even though we do not agree, I am grateful for your continued responses. I would want a man with such fortitude as you to back me up.
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It was in jest, huckfinn327.
I have a problem with ignoring the victim of a divorce. I have asked this before but never got a straight answer.
The woman is adulterous, divorces, marries an other man... This happens often.
Under your interpretations, the man from the first marriage cannot marry, nor can he remarry (or take back) the first wife.
Marriage is permanent this side of death ... thus divorce is a myth (J. Carl Laney) ... Gomer is still the wife of Hosea (this side of death). Thus for the sake of discussion the man above can "remarry" the penitent adulteress. Jesus abrogates the "concessoin-precept, divorce" (Deut. 24:1) thus the abomination of (Deut. 24:4) is mute.
Jhuperetes,
I will repeat: Divorce is a myth as per Jesus' doctrine of permanency. Therefore remarriage after divorce is also a myth; it is not marriage. Jesus denied man the concession of Moses (Deut. 24:1) therefore the "abomination" is a mute point; He taught creation marriage: they twain are one flesh. My point regarding Gomer was that as long as she was alive she was Hosea's wife.
The primary principle of the N.T. is that the blood of the Lamb of God forgiveth us from all sin and thus "restores" all men ... therefore RESTORATION to God and man is the power of the Gospel. That is why Jesus could preach marriage-permanency to sinful man ... restoration is now possible for all offences.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 6:31:07 PM
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I will repeat: Divorce is a myth as per Jesus' this fringe MDR group's doctrine of permanency. Therefore remarriage after divorce is also a myth according to this fringe group; it is not marriage. Jesus denied This fringe group denies man the concession of Moses (Deut. 24:1) therefore the "abomination" is a mute point according to them; He taught they teach "creation marriage": they twain are one flesh. My point regarding Gomer was that as long as she was alive she was Hosea's wife whether Scripture indicates that or not.
The primary principle of the N.T. is that the blood of the Lamb of God forgiveth us from all sin and thus "restores" all men ... therefore RESTORATION to God and man is the power of the Gospel. That is why Jesus could this fringe group can preach "marriage-permanency" to sinful man ... restoration is now possible for all offences.
I just couldn't bear to see Jesus blamed for this false doctrine.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 7:08:28 PM
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Mark 10:11,12
11He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
I think it's important that we take note that Jesus repeated the same thing but from a different perspective. Note in the verses that the one who divorces their spouse and remarries is the adulterer. These verses are not speaking to the one who had divorce thrust upon them rather the one who did the divorce.
You say that divorce is a myth, yet God does not indulge himself in myths, does He?
Jer 3:8
8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.
Realistically, we know that God is not One to condone divorce, in fact His word is clear that He hates it. Yet God uses divorce language to make a point, Your choice of words that divorce is a myth, is describing something which is not a reality. But it is. If we consider carefully what Jesus said In Mark 10:9
Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
If the marriage could not be undone, would it not have been wiser for the Lord to say "Therefore what God has joined together, man can not separate."
I think by His choice of words, He is exemplifying the importance that couples work through their issues in order to stay together rather than choosing divorce and avoiding dealing with their problems.
Statistics show that couples who divorce because they refused to work through their issues end up in more divorces because of the same problem, yet couples who choose to work through their difficulties with the goal of being faithful to their marriage covenant have stronger healthier marriages.
I am pro-marriage and against divorce but sometimes other people make choices which affect you and there is nothing you can do about it. To take a hard line on any issue smells of legalism to me. Jesus rebuked the pharisees for bowing to the letter of the law and yet ignoring the heart of the law. God's heart and design for marriage is that it is permanent, I agree, but we also live in a sinful fallen world. If never getting married again works for you, fine. I do not see it clearly in scripture and in my endeavors to fully follow and obey Christ, it is not yet a conviction in my heart.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 7:32:04 PM
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2. Even then, remarriage is not acceptable.
8But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I.
9But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Who is the "unmarried" in this case? And don't say virgins because he addresses them further down in verse 25.
This tells me those unmarried are the ones spoken of in Deut. 24:1-4.
How do you reconcile that law with what is said here? where do you get that remarriage is not possible at all?
15Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
16For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
17Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk And so I direct in all the churches.
What about this, Cush? it tells me its okay for the believer to marry again if the unbeliever leaves. What do you say about this?
Isssit the Lord command or Paul's suggestion? 
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7:10 To the married I give this command – not I, but the Lord 8 – a wife should not divorce a husband 7:11 (but if she does, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband), and a husband should not divorce his wife.
7:12 To the rest I say – I, not the Lord
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 3/5/2010 7:39:22 PM
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To take a hard line on any issue smells of legalism to me. Jesus rebuked the pharisees for bowing to the letter of the law and yet ignoring the heart of the law. God's heart and design for marriage is that it is permanent, I agree, but we also live in a sinful fallen world. If never getting married again works for you, fine. I do not see it clearly in scripture and in my endeavors to fully follow and obey Christ, it is not yet a conviction in my heart.
Quuestion:
Is God's perfect will for marriage legalism?
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