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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/1/2010 8:16:49 PM
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I do not know of "any" Bible teachers who disagree with this statement: Jesus taught Permanency-Marriage ... based on Mt. 19 and Mk. 10: They twain shall be one flesh ff.
Dude take off your horse blinders.
Most I know teach it within context and guess what, you ain't one of them.
You omit verses, you twist them and call them "obscure text" when they don't agree with what you believe.
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Love faileth not ... Jesus said, "I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish; when we become one with Him. As stated, our personal salvation is our marriage to Christ ... a Permanent Salvation ... as His doctrine of Permanent-Marriage. That certainly is Love
OH I get now.
You believe in OSAS, that sure explains a lot.
I will only say this. Jesus says "HE THAT ENDURES TO THE END WILL BE SAVED."
We are NOT married yet to Christ because he has not come back for us yet. We are betrothed to Christ. See the story of the 10 virgins?
5 wise 5 foolish? There will be some that will be wise and have their lamps full go out to meet the Husband which is Christ and will be married(caught up) forever. The 5 foolish are the ones that weren't ready. These represent those who have not endured to the end and/or were not prepared BUT claim they are. Sounds like some people I know- the OSAS crowd. They think because they claim Jesus, they are his bride. We will see when the day of marriage comes.
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NOTE: I and the Permanency Camp do not concentrate on "divorce as "the" sin of concern ... but we see remarriage as the SIN of concern.
According to the bible it is neither the divorce or the remarriage that is the sin. It is the action that caused the divorce that is the sin. Look at God's relationship with Israel. Look at Hosea and his wife. CLEARLY from these it supports the fact that even though God hates divorce, it is not the sin. It is the action of fornication that is the sin.
You should re-examine the WHOLE Bible and NOT just the bits and pieces that "agree" with you. It is NOT the divorce that a person should be seeking forgiveness for. It what ever they did to cause the divorce they should seek forgiveness for.
Again Back to the LAW OF LOVE.
Huck, your doctrine puts people in bondage AND causes "snobby" judgement. You look down your nose at people who have been divorced and remarried. You will reap what you sow for your wrong doctrine in this particular matter and the other afore mentioned.
Divorce is a "sin" for the husband will be guilty of "causing" his exwife to marry another if she did not commit adultery in the marriage Matt 5:32a. Remarriage is a "sin" if you marry without knowledge of your wife comitting "adultery" in the marriage, for he is guilty committs adutlery "against" his spouse Mark 10:11.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/1/2010 8:18:16 PM
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If you look at the verses around that, Jesus says except for fornication.
You omit it because it destroys your doctrine.
I believe "fornication" in Mt. 5:32/19:9 is an "obscure" text ... the Permanency School holds to these possible interpretations:
It can mean "incest" i.e. consanqineous-marriage to a relative Herod and Herodias (forbidden by John the Baptist) and the man and step-mother in I Cor. 5. (condemned by Paul)
It can mean Jewish Bethrothal fornication ... as with Joseph and Mary in Mt.1:18/19
It also has been interpreted "not for fornication" ... meaning Jesus excluded divorce even for fornication; Gk. text controversy with Erasmas Gk. Text
It has also been interpreted to mean that if a divorce was granted for fornication then remarriage would still be denied on the basis of oneness declared in Rom. 7:3. Majority of Church Fathers
It is also obscure because divorce disagrees with Mark, Luke, and Paul ... we believe that all three stand against MDR. (Analogy difficulties)
It is obscure because MDR school's interpretation agrees with Shammai to whom we see as a direct "opponent" of Jesus.
It's grammatical construction agrees with Jesus' in Mk. and Lk. but it is difficult to justify in Mt. ... making it "obscure".
This use of exception by Jesus is "uncommon" to Him.
All these things mark the exception an "obscure text" and must be managed by the whole of Scripture to understand.
Another "obscure" text is 1Co 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Some people actually perform vicarious-baptisms for dead non-christian relatives and others. I believe it mean that we are baptized into Christ death.
Fornication would be any sexual sin that is committed by the body of the wife Matt 19:9
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/1/2010 8:22:11 PM
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Your doctrine does not testify to the Law of Love that Jesus taught and lived.
Love faileth not ... Jesus said, "I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish; when we become one with Him. As stated, our personal salvation is our marriage to Christ ... a Permanent Salvation ... as His doctrine of Permanent-Marriage. That certainly is Love.
I do not know of "any" Bible teachers who disagree with this statement: Jesus taught Permanency-Marriage ... based on Mt. 19 and Mk. 10: They twain shall be one flesh ff.
I and the Permanency Camp believe Jesus taught this literally in the sense of a law, or the Law of Marriage.
The MDR camp of scholars and teachers believe that Jesus taught Permanecy-Marriage also; however they believe that Jesus "only taught this as an Ideal ... an impossible dream ... a lofty moral goal ... not as a literal law of marriage.
If we are correct, "fornication" and for that fact even "adultery" cannot sever the marriage bond.
NOTE: I and the Permanency Camp do not concentrat on "divorce as "the" sin of concern ... but we see remarriage as the SIN of concern.
SUMMARY: The Literal Permanency Camp varies of some points of interpretation ... however the primary doctrine can be summed up as: NO-REMARRIAGE-THIS-SIDE-OF-DEATH.
When God divorced Israel He gave her a Writ of Divorce Jer 3:8-9 saying "she is not longer My wife, and I am no longer her husband" Hos 2:2. After a properly allowed divorce, the marriage covenant has become "obsolete" Heb 8:12-13 in which God says He divorced Israel and Judah and the Covenant is "vanishing away" and has already become "old" and "obsolete". The first covenant has become abolished in order for the second marriage covenant with the Church 2 Cor 11:3 to be established.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/1/2010 8:23:49 PM
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I believe "fornication" in Mt. 5:32/19:9 is an "obscure" text ... quote:
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Obscure text?!?!?!
Is that your way of explaining away something that doesn't fit what You believe but Jesus did indeed say? Actually, at the time it was a text that was in dispute. I am not sure I would use "obscure" but the meaning is in question. It revolves around the ancient Hebrew word ervah in Deut 24.1.
In the first century bc the 2 main leaders of the Pharasees disagreed on the meaning of it. R. Shammai said it meant that on his wedding night he found his bride to not be a virgin. R. Hillel said it meant pretty much "for any reason" including routinely burning his meals. The question posed to our Lord was worded in a way to drag Jesus into the hot debate.
While I do not agree with HuckFinn's conclusion, his statement is correct. I would have worded it differently.
Jesus spoke to the Jews about Deut 24:1
Jews understood that if a person committed adultery they were to be stoned to death (John 8:1-16) Lev 20:10. So “uncleanness” had to mean something besides adultery to the Jewish mind. But for a woman to be stoned she had to have been seen by two or three witnesses. But the man was allowed to put away his wife for “uncleanness” with no witness needed.
A woman becomes “defiled” by polluting her body by another man’s “seed” becoming improperly “one flesh” with another… “Then the Babylonians came to her, into the bed of love, and they ‘defiled’ her with their fornications” Eze 23:17. This was quoted inside or outside a marriage.
Jesus when speaking to the multitude of believers in Matt 5:31-32 explains the word “uncleanness” in Deut 24:1 to be “sexual immorality”. “Sexual immorality” could be any sexual indecent act that would “defile” the individual’s body, and not just the act of the heart Matt 5:28-30. It will take the actual act of defiling the body for a properly “allowed” divorce of the woman for ‘uncleanness’.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/1/2010 8:27:43 PM
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I believe that the remarriage in the situation would be an act of adultery (Mt 5), but the act would also break the original marriage covenant and would not be a continual act of adultery. The new marriage covenant would need to be upheld despite the fact that it originated in sin.
Even if the act of remarriage by the guilty party is adultery, if that same act breaks the original marriage covenant, then the marriage is not adulterous. It is simply a marriage. Calling it an "adulterous marriage" denotes that it is a continuous act of adultery.
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How do you reconcile with Mt. 5 which appears to indicate a marriage covenant that exists after a divorce in some cases
I reconcile it because I believe that the "divorce" that Jesus is talking about is the just "putting away" a wife without issuing the GeT or the GeT they GoT (sorry couldn't resist) was issued for non-scriptural reasons therefore such a GeT would be invalid.
For instance: Jesus said "except for pornia". If a man obtained a GeT based on the more liberal position that would let a man divorce his wife if she burned his food or couldn't have children then that GeT, based on God's Law, would be invalid. Thus, they would still be married. Then if she does remarry her new marriage would be invalid, she and her new husband would be guilty of adultery.
I based that partly on the fact that Jesus states that the man who divorces his wife for reasons other than pornia causes her to commit adultery. How could he "cause" her to commit adultery? If she knows that getting married again is adultery then he's not "causing" her to do so. But, if she believes that she is free to remarry but she isn't then he has "caused" it.
The difficulty I have with this view is that all of the historical information that I am aware of contridicts this view i.e. we know that a Jewish man who attempted to do this in the first century would have been shunned by the entire community and could be beaten until provided a GeT. There is nothing in history to suggest that there ever was a problem with men putting away their wives without providing a GeT.
There is a problem like this that does exist in our modern culture where Jewish non-religious men will withhold a GeT as a way to gain leverage in a legal divorce proceeding and while they are still shunned by their religious community for doing this, the religious community today (unlike the community of the first century) has no legal power to enforce the religious law and these men are usually indifferent about their religious involvement with their community which means that the community has now power to deal with this issue. Some liberal commentators have mistakenly extrapolated from this modern problem the idea that this was also an ancient problem even though it contadicts the evidence we have from the first century.
This is the told current view of the GiT... from Deut 24:1 only allowing the man to divorce his wife for "uncleanness"...
Wikipedia Encyclopedia; year 2008
“The laws of gittin only provide for a divorce initiated by the husband…”
Even though they incorrectly try and allow the wife to sue her husband and make him divorce her.
“However, the wife has the right to sue for divorce in a rabbinical court. The court, finding just cause, will require the husband to divorce his wife.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_%28divorce_document%29
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/1/2010 10:02:06 PM
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No, not according to huckfinn327's theology.
If I understand correctly, she is adulterous, her second marriage is invalid and the first husband is volunteered to chastity and to 'burn' as Paul described it, for the rest of his wife's or his own life.
Please correct me if I got it wrong, huckfinn327.
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I have a question. What if your wife leaves you for another man and you have tried all you know to keep the marriage together and she refuses and divorces you are you free to marry again?
yes she has committed adultery and abandoned the marriage.You are free to marry again after divorce.
well he's entitled to his opinion.Not Biblical though, as has been pointed out here countless times.The wife has committed adultery and abandoned the marrige and divorced her husband, therefore he is free to marry again just as a woman would be in the same position.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/1/2010 10:15:24 PM
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No, not according to huckfinn327's theology.
If I understand correctly, she is adulterous, her second marriage is invalid and the first husband is volunteered to chastity and to 'burn' as Paul described it, for the rest of his wife's or his own life.
Please correct me if I got it wrong, huckfinn327.
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I have a question. What if your wife leaves you for another man and you have tried all you know to keep the marriage together and she refuses and divorces you are you free to marry again?
yes she has committed adultery and abandoned the marriage.You are free to marry again after divorce.
well he's entitled to his opinion.Not Biblical though, as has been pointed out here countless times.The wife has committed adultery and abandoned the marrige and divorced her husband, therefore he is free to marry again just as a woman would be in the same position.
Accually, the Scriptures say only a man who puts away his wife for unclenness is allowed to marry again. The woman is not allowed to divorce her husband. If she does divorce her husband she MUST "remain unmarried or reconcile with her husband" 1 Cor 7:10-11a. But if the husband divorced his wife for sexual immorality, then that guilty wife would be able to marry again, since the marriage covenant can only be disolved that way.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 12:57:27 AM
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1 Cor 7:15-16 “Not in bondage”
The only ‘exception clause’ for a Christian to divorce in “this case”, “If but the unbeliever separates, separate.” Jesus teaching in 1 Cor 7:10-11 and what Paul just said in vss. 12-14 may seem contrary to what Paul is now instructing.
The Greek word in both of these “separate” words is in the “present tense.” By Paul using a Greek ‘direct article’ for the “unbeliever” in this passage (1 Cor 7:15a) is saying “If” the unbeliever instead of being “willing” to remain in the marriage wished to separate instead (conditional indicative). Therefore; Paul was referring to the unbelievers from 1 Cor 7:12-13.
“The indicative mood is, in general, the mood of assertion, or presentation of certainty. It is not correct to say that it is the mood of certainty or reality. This belongs to the presentation (i.e., the indicative may present something as being certain or real, though the speaker might not believe it).
3. Conditional Indicative
This is the use of the indicative in the protasis of the conditional sentences. The conditional element is made explicit with the particle ei. the first class condition indicates the assumption of truth for the sake of argument, while the second class condition indicates the assumption of an untruth for the sake of argument.
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Matt 12:27 If I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out?
John 5:46 If you believe Moses, you would believe me.” Footnote (21)
Paul tells the believer in 1 Cor 7:14 they are commanded to ‘remain’ married to the unbeliever sanctifying them and making the children “holy” (otherwise they would be “unclean”). This was a big responsibility put on the believer to stay married to the unbeliever for their sanctification. But with this Paul now tells the believer if but the unbeliever separates from the marriage, let separate, for you are not bound to keep the marriage in order to possibly “save” them vs. 16. By Paul saying God has called “us” that is all Christians in general are called to be at ‘peace’ with all men whenever possible. They are commanded not force a marriage with the unbeliever who wishes to separate.
Paul tells the believer to “separate” which is in the Greek ‘command’ meaning Paul is not suggesting or 'allowing' the believer to let the unbeliever separate but commanding them to do so. Paul is not telling both the brother and sister (the believer) that if the unbeliever has left the house and is not returning as Israel did (Jer 3:8-9) they are allowed to divorce them. For God said to Israel “because of your transgressions your mother was sent away (divorced)” Is 50:1 though He was “longsuffering” with them.
Israel was not allowed to divorce God, so all Israel could do is ‘leave’ the marriage (as the woman in Judges 19:2). We see that both the man and woman, according to this culture, were both able to divorce the other with no known sexual immorality (1 Cor 7:12-13). But Israel clearly not wanting to return was considered more “righteous” then her treacherous sister Judah who wanted to play the harlot with other men but also in “pretence” to returned at times back to God. Since the believer is told to “let be separate” in the command, Paul telling them they are not bound to keep the marriage. We know Paul was saying if the believer has some say in the divorce or ability to refuse the divorce “do not contend with it but go forward”. As we may say, a believer should not write up the divorce papers but if the unbeliever filed for divorce the believer should not ‘contest’ it, and sign the divorce papers.
God gave the Apostles permission concerning doctrines in the Church Matt 16:19 that what they ‘bound’ on earth shall be bound in heaven, and what they ‘loose’ on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Paul used this 'allowance' by Jesus to allow the believer to let the unbeliever to become divorced for “peace” that is for “mercy” sake. Since the divorce is not according to God’s scriptural allowances (Deut 24:1, and Jesus Matt 19:9) this means that even though Paul allowed the unbeliever to separate from the marriage, the covenants still apply, committing “adultery” if either party were to remarry.
Since Paul tells the believer “in such case” in 1 Cor 7:15b Paul was refuting the former situations they were told in a sense of the believer’s necessity and command by Paul to stay married.
The allowance of separating may seem against the Lord’s charge for a man or woman earlier in verse 10-11 and the overall teaching of Jesus (of God) in Matt 19:6-8. But they were to let them go, for “peace” sake (that is mercy sake not of argument or by force) but if an unbeliever wishes to stay in a marriage even in “pretence” as Judah (Jer 3:8-9) the Christian should remain in the marriage.
1 Cor 7:15 Paul tells the believer to “let be separate”. This Greek word is in the Permissive Imperative…
“4. Permissive Imperative (Imperative of Toleration)
The imperative is rarely used to connote permission or, better, toleration. This usage does not normally imply that some deed is optional or approved. It often views that act as a fait accompli. In such instances, the mood could almost be called "an imperative of resignation."'
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Matt 8:31-32 "If you cast us out, send us into the herd of swine." And he said to them, "Go!"
1Cor 7:15 If the unbeliever departs, let him depart” Footnote (21).
Remarriage at the this point would contradict the teachings of Jesus in remarriage apart for “sexual immorality” committing “adultery” against the other by doing so Matt 5:32, Matt 19:9, Mark 10:11. You are to go by other scriptures in regards to remarriage allowances after this divorce. For though Paul allowed the unbeliever the divorce this does not mean the permissions of remarriage apply.
There is a difference between those who are “not in bondage” in marriage compared to those who have been “loosed” or “free” to marry another. One Paul is telling them they are “loosed” or “free” from a former marriage (1 Cor 7:27) and the other Paul is stating they are no longer in continued bondage to stay married to them (1 Cor 7:15).
The believers “not” “have-been-in-bondage” (Greek word meaning a continued state of slavery or bondage) for the possible salvation 1 Cor 7:15 by possibly winning them over in the marriage 1 Peter 3:1. Paul says for you do not know if you ‘will’ save them so let them go. The “bondage” word is a Greek is ‘informing’ the believer of their 'responsibility' to release the unbeliever from the marriage.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 6:41:14 AM
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When God divorced Israel He gave her a Writ of Divorce Jer 3:8-9 saying "she is not longer My wife, and I am no longer her husband" Hos 2:2. After a properly allowed divorce, the marriage covenant has become "obsolete" Heb 8:12-13 in which God says He divorced Israel and Judah and the Covenant is "vanishing away" and has already become "old" and "obsolete". The first covenant has become abolished in order for the second marriage covenant with the Church 2 Cor 11:3 to be established. Wow. This is wrong on so many levels.
First off, God NEVER divorced Judah. Israel (the northern tribes) yes, but not Judah.
Next, the gentiles are grafted into Judah (Rom 11). Thirdly, God did not have to divorce Judah to "marry" the church. The way you stated it is straight replacement theology. The church did not replace Israel, we are not the "new Israel," but rather we have been added to Israel. The Mosaic covenant was indeed broken, because of disobedience. So God in His mercy extended a New Covenant, and invited Israel (northern kingdom) back into it:
Jer 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Please note that there is NO MENTION of gentiles being involved at all. We get to be grafted into this covenant.
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 6:42:50 AM
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No, not according to huckfinn327's theology.
If I understand correctly, she is adulterous, her second marriage is invalid and the first husband is volunteered to chastity and to 'burn' as Paul described it, for the rest of his wife's or his own life.
Please correct me if I got it wrong, huckfinn327.
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I have a question. What if your wife leaves you for another man and you have tried all you know to keep the marriage together and she refuses and divorces you are you free to marry again?
yes she has committed adultery and abandoned the marriage.You are free to marry again after divorce.
well he's entitled to his opinion.Not Biblical though, as has been pointed out here countless times.The wife has committed adultery and abandoned the marrige and divorced her husband, therefore he is free to marry again just as a woman would be in the same position.
Accually, the Scriptures say only a man who puts away his wife for unclenness is allowed to marry again. The woman is not allowed to divorce her husband. If she does divorce her husband she MUST "remain unmarried or reconcile with her husband" 1 Cor 7:10-11a. But if the husband divorced his wife for sexual immorality, then that guilty wife would be able to marry again, since the marriage covenant can only be disolved that way.
ah so if a women has an affair and he divorces her she CAN marry again but if her husband has an affair and he divorces her she CANT marry again. Himmm cant you see why that is so wrong?. A woman who has cheated and betrayed her spouse can marry again but one who hasnt cant. The cheater is being rewarded while the innocent one isnt. That isnt God way
.Sorry it doesnt wash and most people who have studied this agree.
If she divorced her husband she is no longer married therefore he is no longer her husband to reconcile with.That passage is talking about seperation and NOT divorce. A wife shall not SEPERATE from her husband (doesn't mention divorce)
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 7:32:00 AM
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Now you guys see why I choose to block Mike's posts. He says the same thing over and over again and all while completely twisting scripture.
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ah so if a women has an affair and he divorces her she CAN marry again but if her husband has an affair and he divorces her she CANT marry again. Himmm cant you see why that is so wrong?. A woman who has cheated and betrayed her spouse can marry again but one who hasn't cant. The cheater is being rewarded while the innocent one isn't. That isn't God way
.Sorry it doesn't wash and most people who have studied this agree.
If she divorced her husband she is no longer married therefore he is no longer her husband to reconcile with.That passage is talking about separation and NOT divorce. A wife shall not SEPARATE from her husband (doesn't mention divorce)
That is exactly what he believes.
Not sure how he reconciles what Jesus says in Matt. 19 about adultery.
He also doesn't understand nor does he want to that Paul included divorcees in with the unmarried. Otherwise, why would he refer to virgins and widows separate from the unmarried?
Paul stated to the unmarried, virgins, and widows.
This distinction leads me to believe that he was indeed talking to divorced Christians. A divorced Christian is not a virgin nor is he/she a widow.
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First off, God NEVER divorced Judah. Israel (the northern tribes) yes, but not Judah.
Next, the gentiles are grafted into Judah (Rom 11). Thirdly, God did not have to divorce Judah to "marry" the church. The way you stated it is straight replacement theology. The church did not replace Israel, we are not the "new Israel," but rather we have been added to Israel. The Mosaic covenant was indeed broken, because of disobedience. So God in His mercy extended a New Covenant, and invited Israel (northern kingdom) back into it:
Jer 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Please note that there is NO MENTION of gentiles being involved at all. We get to be grafted into this covenant.
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
Amen Dave. Good teaching!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 7:45:16 AM
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gmc spice how do you block peoples posts?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 8:03:35 AM
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If you look down at the bottom of each post, you will see a little red hand that you can click on and it will block that person's posts.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 2:54:24 PM
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I have a question. What if your wife leaves you for another man and you have tried all you know to keep the marriage together and she refuses and divorces you are you free to marry again?
Hi aboundinginhisgrace
Another thing. You asked on another thread if you ever get over your first love. Yes you do. Both my husband and I had been married before for a long time and both of us were betrayed. We have never been happier and love each other so much.We both loved our first spouses, but the love we have for each other surpasses that.
Neither of us have ever been happier.God bought us together and He is blessing us so much. About 2 years before I met my husband, God gave me the word "I will restore to you all that the locusts have eaten" and He is the God of restoration.Keep trusting Him and you will see amazing things
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 7:04:19 PM
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When God divorced Israel He gave her a Writ of Divorce Jer 3:8-9 saying "she is not longer My wife, and I am no longer her husband" Hos 2:2. After a properly allowed divorce, the marriage covenant has become "obsolete" Heb 8:12-13 in which God says He divorced Israel and Judah and the Covenant is "vanishing away" and has already become "old" and "obsolete". The first covenant has become abolished in order for the second marriage covenant with the Church 2 Cor 11:3 to be established. Wow. This is wrong on so many levels.
First off, God NEVER divorced Judah. Israel (the northern tribes) yes, but not Judah.
Next, the gentiles are grafted into Judah (Rom 11). Thirdly, God did not have to divorce Judah to "marry" the church. The way you stated it is straight replacement theology. The church did not replace Israel, we are not the "new Israel," but rather we have been added to Israel. The Mosaic covenant was indeed broken, because of disobedience. So God in His mercy extended a New Covenant, and invited Israel (northern kingdom) back into it:
Jer 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Please note that there is NO MENTION of gentiles being involved at all. We get to be grafted into this covenant.
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
"because they did not continue in My covenant and I disregarded them, says the Lord" Heb 8:9 when speaking about Jer 31:31-34....
God Did divorce or "disregarded" Judah... it says we are grafted into "Israel" not "Judah". God saved a remnant of Israel for He did not completely "cast off" them.. but will save entire Israel after the fulness of the Gentiles.
Since it says Judah's covenant was broken this was probably talking about the time 30 A.D. - 70 A.D. when Jesus was established as King forever by David's covenant,, it was fufilled... so the partial of Israel and Judah being cast off is just a time for them to come back Hosea saying God provided for me.. and then the Lord will take them back and restore them under the New Covenant.. for the Church is "spiritual Israel". They will see Him whom they have pierced and morn.. and he will forgive "Jacob's sins" when Israel returns! Jer 3:12-14... For He is married to them.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/2/2010 7:07:11 PM
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No, not according to huckfinn327's theology.
If I understand correctly, she is adulterous, her second marriage is invalid and the first husband is volunteered to chastity and to 'burn' as Paul described it, for the rest of his wife's or his own life.
Please correct me if I got it wrong, huckfinn327.
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I have a question. What if your wife leaves you for another man and you have tried all you know to keep the marriage together and she refuses and divorces you are you free to marry again?
yes she has committed adultery and abandoned the marriage.You are free to marry again after divorce.
well he's entitled to his opinion.Not Biblical though, as has been pointed out here countless times.The wife has committed adultery and abandoned the marrige and divorced her husband, therefore he is free to marry again just as a woman would be in the same position.
Accually, the Scriptures say only a man who puts away his wife for unclenness is allowed to marry again. The woman is not allowed to divorce her husband. If she does divorce her husband she MUST "remain unmarried or reconcile with her husband" 1 Cor 7:10-11a. But if the husband divorced his wife for sexual immorality, then that guilty wife would be able to marry again, since the marriage covenant can only be disolved that way.
ah so if a women has an affair and he divorces her she CAN marry again but if her husband has an affair and he divorces her she CANT marry again. Himmm cant you see why that is so wrong?. A woman who has cheated and betrayed her spouse can marry again but one who hasnt cant. The cheater is being rewarded while the innocent one isnt. That isnt God way
.Sorry it doesnt wash and most people who have studied this agree.
If she divorced her husband she is no longer married therefore he is no longer her husband to reconcile with.That passage is talking about seperation and NOT divorce. A wife shall not SEPERATE from her husband (doesn't mention divorce)
It says in 1 Cor 7:10-11a that when she "separates" she is called "unmarried". So the word separate means divorced. It is in the completed Greek term meaning a 'finished' deed.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2010 1:47:30 AM
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This is what I read -
there are only two reason for divorce - if a heathen wants to leave the marriage, or of adultery/unfaithfulness.
WOMAN |Faithful |Faithful |Unfaithful |Unfaithful
MAN |Christian |Heathen |Christian |Heathen
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Faithful |Christian |N |Yw |Ym |Yw
Faithful |Heathen |Ym |? |Ym |?
Unfaithful |Christian |Yw |Yw |Y |Yw
Unfaithful |Heathen |Ym |? |Ym |?
N - No divorce permitted
Y - Divorce permitted by either spouse
Yw - Divorce permitted by woman
Ym - Divorce permitted by man
? - No idea. Not my problem
You can work up a table just like the above for remarriage . . . and yes, I am uptight about documentation of scenarios. 
According to the Law of Moses was a man allowed to "leave" his wife, but the Lord tells us Christians that the woman is not to separate from her husband, and a man is not to leave his wife 1 Cor 7:10-11. And we are not to "divorce" an unbeliever but if the unbeliever is in the process of divorcing the believer and is does not want to stay in the marriage Paul is allowing the beliver to separate from them as well. We are not to force or try and keep the marriage togeather if the unbeliever wants a divorce.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2010 1:53:49 AM
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cure4divorce
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Now you guys see why I choose to block Mike's posts. He says the same thing over and over again and all while completely twisting scripture.
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ah so if a women has an affair and he divorces her she CAN marry again but if her husband has an affair and he divorces her she CANT marry again. Himmm cant you see why that is so wrong?. A woman who has cheated and betrayed her spouse can marry again but one who hasn't cant. The cheater is being rewarded while the innocent one isn't. That isn't God way
.Sorry it doesn't wash and most people who have studied this agree.
If she divorced her husband she is no longer married therefore he is no longer her husband to reconcile with.That passage is talking about separation and NOT divorce. A wife shall not SEPARATE from her husband (doesn't mention divorce)
That is exactly what he believes.
Not sure how he reconciles what Jesus says in Matt. 19 about adultery.
He also doesn't understand nor does he want to that Paul included divorcees in with the unmarried. Otherwise, why would he refer to virgins and widows separate from the unmarried?
Paul stated to the unmarried, virgins, and widows.
This distinction leads me to believe that he was indeed talking to divorced Christians. A divorced Christian is not a virgin nor is he/she a widow.
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First off, God NEVER divorced Judah. Israel (the northern tribes) yes, but not Judah.
Next, the gentiles are grafted into Judah (Rom 11). Thirdly, God did not have to divorce Judah to "marry" the church. The way you stated it is straight replacement theology. The church did not replace Israel, we are not the "new Israel," but rather we have been added to Israel. The Mosaic covenant was indeed broken, because of disobedience. So God in His mercy extended a New Covenant, and invited Israel (northern kingdom) back into it:
Jer 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Please note that there is NO MENTION of gentiles being involved at all. We get to be grafted into this covenant.
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
Amen Dave. Good teaching!
It says in Matt 5:32 that if the woman is the innocent party in the divorce she will commit "adultery" as well as the man who marries her (vs. 32b). The divorce that was improperly done both parties are still bound to that covenant committing adutlery "against" the other if they remarry Mark 10:11.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2010 1:57:27 AM
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cure4divorce
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Now you guys see why I choose to block Mike's posts. He says the same thing over and over again and all while completely twisting scripture.
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ah so if a women has an affair and he divorces her she CAN marry again but if her husband has an affair and he divorces her she CANT marry again. Himmm cant you see why that is so wrong?. A woman who has cheated and betrayed her spouse can marry again but one who hasn't cant. The cheater is being rewarded while the innocent one isn't. That isn't God way
.Sorry it doesn't wash and most people who have studied this agree.
If she divorced her husband she is no longer married therefore he is no longer her husband to reconcile with.That passage is talking about separation and NOT divorce. A wife shall not SEPARATE from her husband (doesn't mention divorce)
That is exactly what he believes.
Not sure how he reconciles what Jesus says in Matt. 19 about adultery.
He also doesn't understand nor does he want to that Paul included divorcees in with the unmarried. Otherwise, why would he refer to virgins and widows separate from the unmarried?
Paul stated to the unmarried, virgins, and widows.
This distinction leads me to believe that he was indeed talking to divorced Christians. A divorced Christian is not a virgin nor is he/she a widow.
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First off, God NEVER divorced Judah. Israel (the northern tribes) yes, but not Judah.
Next, the gentiles are grafted into Judah (Rom 11). Thirdly, God did not have to divorce Judah to "marry" the church. The way you stated it is straight replacement theology. The church did not replace Israel, we are not the "new Israel," but rather we have been added to Israel. The Mosaic covenant was indeed broken, because of disobedience. So God in His mercy extended a New Covenant, and invited Israel (northern kingdom) back into it:
Jer 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Please note that there is NO MENTION of gentiles being involved at all. We get to be grafted into this covenant.
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
Amen Dave. Good teaching!
also,, 1 Cor 7:8-9 "unmarrieds" are only talking to those who by scriptural permissions are allowed to marry again.. Paul immediately disqualifies a woman from marrying again in 1Cor 7:11a though Paul called her "unmarried" as well. A properly unmarried woman who is truely released from her marriage oath according to Moses Law tested by Scripture and Jesus certified Matt 19:9 is loosed and is considered one of those "unmarrieds" in 1 Cor 7:8-9 but those who Paul disqualified in this Chapter are clearly not able to marry again.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2010 2:09:17 AM
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When God divorced Israel He gave her a Writ of Divorce Jer 3:8-9 saying "she is not longer My wife, and I am no longer her husband" Hos 2:2. After a properly allowed divorce, the marriage covenant has become "obsolete" Heb 8:12-13 in which God says He divorced Israel and Judah and the Covenant is "vanishing away" and has already become "old" and "obsolete". The first covenant has become abolished in order for the second marriage covenant with the Church 2 Cor 11:3 to be established. Wow. This is wrong on so many levels.
First off, God NEVER divorced Judah. Israel (the northern tribes) yes, but not Judah.
Next, the gentiles are grafted into Judah (Rom 11). Thirdly, God did not have to divorce Judah to "marry" the church. The way you stated it is straight replacement theology. The church did not replace Israel, we are not the "new Israel," but rather we have been added to Israel. The Mosaic covenant was indeed broken, because of disobedience. So God in His mercy extended a New Covenant, and invited Israel (northern kingdom) back into it:
Jer 31:31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Please note that there is NO MENTION of gentiles being involved at all. We get to be grafted into this covenant.
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
Gal 3:15-22 the "Covenant of Moses" that made Judah and Israel their "Husband" Hosea 2:2 was "disregarded" and God went back to Abraham's Covenant that was only to Abraham and his "Seed" sigular meaning one that was Jesus.. So when Jesus came under Grace and not under Law the New Covenant was made with His blood and no longer by the blood of "bulls and goats" Heb 10:9 "He takes away the first COVENANT that He may establish the second COVENANT." The marriage of former Israel and Judah has been broken and put away so now salvation is to the Gentiles but only for Isreal (all of Israel) to be gellious and return back to the living God where God will forgive "Jacob's sins" and remember them no more. Israel and Judah will return under the Covenant of Jesus Christ. But God has not turned away "all" His people but saved a remnant of Abraham till the fulness of the Gentiles comes in Rom 11:1-4. God is calling Israel that is all of Israel back as "one"! And Gentiles are not to boast in this but Israel was broken off that the Gentiles might be grafted in.. how much more so if we do not produce good fruit will be broken off and the original grafted back in again Rom 11:20 for "unbelief they were broken off". Love you guys!!! that is I love the Jew's for they are God's chosen people and His children and we are adobted into their covenant of Love (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) :)
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2010 7:48:12 PM
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We are commanded to be Holy as God is Holy. Jer 3:8, 9 God gives us His example of staying married when His wife Judah was unfaithful to Him (1 Cor 7:11b), and only divorcing Israel when she left the marriage to live with other men. The difference with 1 Cor 7:15 and God divorcing Israel (Jer 3:8-9) was Israel was sanctioned by permission of scripture to be allowed to “put away” His wife for “sexual immorality” but Paul was not allowing the Christian to divorce the unbeliever because of sexual immorality meaning this divorce was not according to scripture to allow the believer to marry again. For Paul is only allowing the Christian to divorce the unbeliever who so desperately desires and acts towards the divorce. This is an act of mercy and not a sanctioned divorce according to Moses Law that would give the believer an allowance for remarriage.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/7/2010 1:42:38 AM
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I would not dismiss St. Augustine out of hand. I have done this in the past, but if someone from so long ago has been revered for good reason by so many very intelligent people for so long, I'd listen very carefully.
This is a very important subject and not to be taken lightly. I have struggled with this issue as many, many others have. Seek the truth, be honest in your search, and above all, do not place your trust in man, but seek the Lord and His Holy Spirit in prayer and through His word. Prov "A way may seem right to a man, but it only leads to death." "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." The first lesson in wisdom: Get it, seek it and whatever you do, look for it.
I think that most people do not do enough research (dig deep) enough to study the arguments and issues surrounding this subject. Since it is the basis of many of the rest of our lives, I would place more importance on this than your studies in college or school. Think of it as a future surgeon's class that will require knowledge, discernment, judgment and skill to save lives.
I recommend for your thoughtful consideration a resource that I've only just discovered (although there are others), that does a good job I think of presenting solid discussion on these questions: http://www.marriagedivorce.com/mdebook.pdf.
Questioning your faith can be a healthy thing in that you are really seeking understanding of God, not trying to debunk Him so that you can get what you want. Would you apply the same measure of 'beyond a reasonable doubt' to your marital life as you would on a jury where you would send someone to their death?
Look at other references from Genesis, Malachi, Hosea, Romans, 1 Cor, the gospels, etc. Isn't it God's blessing to find someone loving? Remember that God has called us to Holiness, not Happiness. Remember the passion and the life of Jesus as well - He is our model - ever faithful to His people, even to the point of dying at their hands for their sins - He never 'divorced' them either to marry another people or to put them to shame. God, is not a God of divorce (see Malachi - for I hate divorce). When the God of Love, who is Love, hates something, I'd pay attention.
BTW, consider that if the two are one flesh, how can one remarry and the other not? Are not both one flesh. "What God has joined" - so even the 'guilty' party cannot separate them. God is in the marriage - He has done no wrong - He alone is righteous and calls spouses back into communion with Him in their marriage.
"My people parish for lack of knowledge." - Hosea. Read the book of Hosea, who took a prostitute for a wife, to symbolize the prostitution that the Hebrews had done against God. How did God handle it? How did Hosea? What role did the priests have at that time in the prostitution?
What good is happiness without Truth? Jesus did not come to abolish the law or the prophets but to fulfill them. 'I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life' He said. Seek Him, and Him alone, for from Him alone, and through Christ alone, comes our salvation. You have been purchased with a heavy price - the blood and suffering of God's only Son.
May the Lord bless you and guide you.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/7/2010 5:09:45 AM
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I would not dismiss St. Augustine out of hand. I have done this in the past, but if someone from so long ago has been revered for good reason by so many very intelligent people for so long, I'd listen very carefully.
This is a very important subject and not to be taken lightly. I have struggled with this issue as many, many others have. Seek the truth, be honest in your search, and above all, do not place your trust in man, but seek the Lord and His Holy Spirit in prayer and through His word. Prov "A way may seem right to a man, but it only leads to death." "Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." The first lesson in wisdom: Get it, seek it and whatever you do, look for it.
I think that most people do not do enough research (dig deep) enough to study the arguments and issues surrounding this subject. Since it is the basis of many of the rest of our lives, I would place more importance on this than your studies in college or school. Think of it as a future surgeon's class that will require knowledge, discernment, judgment and skill to save lives.
I recommend for your thoughtful consideration a resource that I've only just discovered (although there are others), that does a good job I think of presenting solid discussion on these questions: http://www.marriagedivorce.com/mdebook.pdf.
Questioning your faith can be a healthy thing in that you are really seeking understanding of God, not trying to debunk Him so that you can get what you want. Would you apply the same measure of 'beyond a reasonable doubt' to your marital life as you would on a jury where you would send someone to their death?
Look at other references from Genesis, Malachi, Hosea, Romans, 1 Cor, the gospels, etc. Isn't it God's blessing to find someone loving? Remember that God has called us to Holiness, not Happiness. Remember the passion and the life of Jesus as well - He is our model - ever faithful to His people, even to the point of dying at their hands for their sins - He never 'divorced' them either to marry another people or to put them to shame. God, is not a God of divorce (see Malachi - for I hate divorce). When the God of Love, who is Love, hates something, I'd pay attention.
BTW, consider that if the two are one flesh, how can one remarry and the other not? Are not both one flesh. "What God has joined" - so even the 'guilty' party cannot separate them. God is in the marriage - He has done no wrong - He alone is righteous and calls spouses back into communion with Him in their marriage.
"My people parish for lack of knowledge." - Hosea. Read the book of Hosea, who took a prostitute for a wife, to symbolize the prostitution that the Hebrews had done against God. How did God handle it? How did Hosea? What role did the priests have at that time in the prostitution?
What good is happiness without Truth? Jesus did not come to abolish the law or the prophets but to fulfill them. 'I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life' He said. Seek Him, and Him alone, for from Him alone, and through Christ alone, comes our salvation. You have been purchased with a heavy price - the blood and suffering of God's only Son.
May the Lord bless you and guide you.
I have studied in depth all of the passages in Scripture you have mentioned, and I have also studied in depth the writings of Augustine on divorce as well as the writings from other early church leaders. And I have looked at the material presented on the website you referenced and recognized that it is not only WRONG but it is HERETICAL. Every one of the arguments presented on that website has been discussed here in this thread in detail, and I would encourage you to look through the history of this thread and see how the arguments presented on that website have been answered here using the Scriptures.
One of the fraudulent claims made on that site is that the early church supported the teaching they espouse; however, THEY DID NOT! Here are couple of places to begin your study:
1) Although it is true that most of the early church leaders, like Augustine, were strongly against remarriage, none suggested divorce as a form of repentance; they all honored the sanctity of those remarriages even though they did not condone them.
2) None of the early church taught that those who had remarried would go to hell unless they divorced.
3) None of the early church suggested those who had divorced and remarried should ever remarry their former spouse. The early church recognized the teaching found in Duet. 24:1-4 and were against this kind of reconciliation.
"What I am about to say may sound novel but after all it is not new but old for it is supported by the witness of the old testament. If she leaves her second husband and desires to be reconciled with her first, she cannot be so now; for it is written in Deuteronomy: “When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her; then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die which took her to be his wife; her former husband, which sent her away may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance" The letters of St. Jerome to Amandus
If you want to read this topic from the perspective of someone who teaches that all remarriage is wrong from a biblical perspective, I would suggest that you read what John Piper has written. While I personally don't agree with John Piper's perspective, it doesn't compromise the truth of God's word like the teachings from the website you referenced does.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/7/2010 5:22:32 AM
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Wasnt St Augustine the one who said that sex was evil and that it should only EVER happen for having children? If so he was 100% wrong about that.
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