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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/11/2010 4:10:07 PM
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Shelties are Pam's favorite breed. They are very intelligent. We want to get a female too. We had planned to get a female since last fall, but when we found Piper, we decided to get him also.
He is driving the family 10 year old female rat terrier crazy. He likes to harass her, but her fuse is getting shorter. And this week he has been getting amorous will a pillow.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/11/2010 4:36:51 PM
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I found an old USO picture of Bob Hope (40's) among my father's things. I'll try to find it and scan it and post a link. He's so young in this picture!
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/11/2010 10:18:04 PM
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What Lion said is true... pain for the good employees
It absolutely is. It isn't at all fair to the good ones.
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If she is part time i don't even know if she earned enough for unemployment.. but it depends on the state.
Right. What happens is, a year (and several jobs) from now she could file for unemployment and what she could claim against me is whatever percentage of her total earnings were paid by me. I then have to fill out dozens of forms and the only way I can be relieved of those charges is if she a) quit or b) was fired with adequate (meaning tons of) documentation of misconduct. Part-time or full-time doesn't matter.
My husband hates dealing with this stuff! It makes him very reluctant to hire anyone new.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/11/2010 10:26:10 PM
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I'm finally able to respond!
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I was totally with her through much of the book (with the adjustment of Christianity) but was completely disillusioned at the end. I was stunned that she couldn't see that her society would break down as soon as the second generation began to take part in it. Somebody's kid was going to be lazy or mentally ill or whatever and they could say that they would be cast out but when there are familial relations amidst philosophical ideas of how things should work it gets messy very quickly and there are no simple answers.
It's just like the problem the pilgrims faced with the second generation....do we let them be members because they are the children of members or do they have to demonstrate a commitment to and belief in our ideals first? And what do we do with them if they don't?
I kept wondering that too--what would they do when their society became REAL, with human flaws, slow people, sick people, etc.?
Your point about the pilgrims is right on. Did you know, in their churches they had covenants. When the next generation wasn't so committed to Christianity, their parents were in a pickle--their covenant rules mean that their own children should have been excluded from being part of the church at all, which mean that even grandchildren couldn't be baptized or enter the church, so they instituted what's called the half-way covenant for those "not so committed" people. Just seems funny to me.
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What fun, Cranky! Thank you for posting your thoughts - which I thought were very coherent. I do understand that the first one was extraordinarily brilliant and it's loss is a loss for mankind. I can't tell you how many times that's happened to me! 
I wept for hours. 
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 1:03:09 AM
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It's 99 in the Den.
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Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase.-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 7:17:13 AM
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I kept wondering that too--what would they do when their society became REAL, with human flaws, slow people, sick people, etc.?
Exactly. To me it was glaringly obvious and I was SO disappointed at the end of the book.
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Your point about the pilgrims is right on. Did you know, in their churches they had covenants. When the next generation wasn't so committed to Christianity, their parents were in a pickle--their covenant rules mean that their own children should have been excluded from being part of the church at all, which mean that even grandchildren couldn't be baptized or enter the church, so they instituted what's called the half-way covenant for those "not so committed" people. Just seems funny to me.
Yes, and it stuck with me after learning it because there's no way out of that pickle. Unless every one in the group is willing to exclude their own children, grandchildren, etc. And then how does the group grow? Because no matter how compelling the ideas are, the possibility of your children being cast out from it is a pretty big drawback. A "half-way covenant" seems retarded to me. Especially considering what they went through for, and how deep their commitment was to, their covenant. They wouldn't compromise for themselves but they would for their children. It shows how colossally complex real life is. Ideals are wonderful and important but, just because it works out on paper doesn't mean it will work out in practice. In fact, it's pretty much guaranteed that it won't.
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I wept for hours.
It's always good talking to you, Cranky! 
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 7:37:26 AM
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Good morning, Lioness, Den. Gee, it's good to be able to say that, from my very own home!
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 8:52:33 AM
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It's 99 in the Den.
Speaking of 99, I saw that Barbara Feldon, Agent 99 on "Get Smart", is 77 today. I'm guessing that Sam & I are the only ones here that watched the series when it first ran. I thought Barbara was foxy back then. Now I learn she's about the same age as my sweet mother.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 9:01:02 AM
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It's 99 in the Den.
Speaking of 99, I saw that Barbara Feldon, Agent 99 on "Get Smart", is 77 today. I'm guessing that Sam & I are the only ones here that watched the series when it first ran. I thought Barbara was foxy back then. Now I learn she's about the same age as my sweet mother.
Euty, I am another one who watched the show when it was first on. Both my father and I thought she was a fox.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 9:07:06 AM
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It's 99 in the Den.
Speaking of 99, I saw that Barbara Feldon, Agent 99 on "Get Smart", is 77 today. I'm guessing that Sam & I are the only ones here that watched the series when it first ran. I thought Barbara was foxy back then. Now I learn she's about the same age as my sweet mother.
I used to watch it but it must have been re-runs I guess. I can remember watching Get Smart and That Girl in the afternoons.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 9:12:23 AM
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The only Agent 99 I know is Ann Hathaway.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 10:14:42 AM
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LibererlaFemme
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I know Pam suffers from migraines and maybe others here...
Mona recommended THIS in Kerr's thread and I didn't want anyone to miss it if it would help with migraines.
Got it - tried it - didn't help. But fortunately, I don't get many migraines anymore. Of course that could change any time.
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RE: The Lion's Den - 3/12/2010 11:18:03 AM
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I need my brain to begin to work
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