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Seven CIA staffers killed:


The Taliban claimed responsibility Thursday for infiltrating a CIA post with a suicide bomber who set off an explosion that killed seven American intelligence staffers and wounded six others in an attack believed one of the worst in the agency's history.


Still lots to do.

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It's a really bad sign when the Taliban can circumvent multiple layers of security and kill what are being described as some of our best CIA talent in the country....

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It's a really bad sign when the Taliban can circumvent multiple layers of security and kill what are being described as some of our best CIA talent in the country....

It should not be too big a surprise with the Obama rules of engagement; you know, read 'em rights, don't interrogate terrorist, don't do any actions if the locals will be interferred with.

Sounds like the outcome of a Politically Correct police aciton to me.

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ORIGINAL: wing2000
It's a really bad sign when the Taliban can circumvent multiple layers of security and kill what are being described as some of our best CIA talent in the country....

It should not be too big a surprise with the Obama rules of engagement; you know, read 'em rights, don't interrogate terrorist, don't do any actions if the locals will be interferred with.

Sounds like the outcome of a Politically Correct police aciton to me.

Thanks
RC

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The suicide bombing targeting Central Intelligence Agency officers in Afghanistan deprives the agency of decades in accumulated experience and knowledge on counterterrorism.

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The Khost officers were providing key intelligence to the fight against al Qaeda and the Taliban, former agency officials said. That included running networks of informants into Pakistan and providing support, as nearly all area operations do, to the CIA's drone program that kills high-value targets in Pakistan's tribal regions.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126239183887213069.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLETopStories

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In particular, Chapman [CIA forward base] appears to have taken a less strict line on security than at other U.S. military bases. Only modest searches are performed there, some U.S. officials say, in the hopes of establishing trust with those who may furnish information. Through its efforts in the region, the CIA has been able to create a large network of informants about the activities of al Qaeda and other militants.

"The CIA team there was very professional, and they knew there was a risk to their security protocols," the official said. "But they felt the need to gather viable, time-sensitive intelligence was so pressing that it justified the trade-off."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126239278820413095.html?mod=article-outset-box

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...or perhaps they were just too PC : \

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It's a really bad sign when the Taliban can circumvent multiple layers of security and kill what are being described as some of our best CIA talent in the country....

It should not be too big a surprise with the Obama rules of engagement; you know, read 'em rights, don't interrogate terrorist, don't do any actions if the locals will be interferred with.

Sounds like the outcome of a Politically Correct police aciton to me.

Thanks
RC

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If it fails, it fails. Unless the Western nations are willing to invade Yemen, Pakistan, the Horn of Africa, etc. this is the best chance. Even if we decide to pull out, that willtake several years due to logistics... unless we want to leave behind large amounts of munitions and equipment.

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If it fails, it fails. Unless the Western nations are willing to invade Yemen, Pakistan, the Horn of Africa, etc. this is the best chance. Even if we decide to pull out, that willtake several years due to logistics... unless we want to leave behind large amounts of munitions and equipment.

Kinda leaves us with surrender to Al Queda or "Bomb them all and let God sort it out".

This continued and increasing "Political Correctness" attitude will bring nothing but disaster.

Thanks
RC

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If it fails, it fails. Unless the Western nations are willing to invade Yemen, Pakistan, the Horn of Africa, etc. this is the best chance. Even if we decide to pull out, that willtake several years due to logistics... unless we want to leave behind large amounts of munitions and equipment.

Kinda leaves us with surrender to Al Queda or "Bomb them all and let God sort it out".

This continued and increasing "Political Correctness" attitude will bring nothing but disaster.

Thanks
RC

If you "bomb them all and let God sort it out" how will that bring victory?

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It would bring temporary vistory four the USA, and possibly permanant victory when God sorts it out.

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It would bring temporary vistory four the USA, and possibly permanant victory when God sorts it out.

You have no problem with killing 32 million + people including women and children if I am understanding you correctly?

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It would bring temporary vistory four the USA, and possibly permanant victory when God sorts it out.

You have no problem with killing 32 million + people including women and children if I am understanding you correctly?

I said God would sort it out.

But it would not be necessary to kill that many; just carpet bomb the areas that are giving aid and comfort to our enemy.

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RC

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I doubt we have enough to lay waste to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Not to mention the Horn of Africa, Syria and Iran.

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I doubt we have enough to lay waste to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Not to mention the Horn of Africa, Syria and Iran.

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I doubt we have enough to lay waste to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Not to mention the Horn of Africa, Syria and Iran.

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Not the whole area for sure; but when a village or a family hides and/or aids the enemy then flatten the place. Won't be long folks will stop hiding and aiding the enemy.

Thanks
RC

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I doubt we have enough to lay waste to Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. Not to mention the Horn of Africa, Syria and Iran.

Not the whole area for sure; but when a village or a family hides and/or aids the enemy then flatten the place. Won't be long folks will stop hiding and aiding the enemy.

Thanks
RC

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The CIA killer was a double agent from Jordan. Do you seriously think bombing his family home(s) in Jordan will help this long-term struggle?

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The CIA killer was a double agent from Jordan. Do you seriously think bombing his family home(s) in Jordan will help this long-term struggle?

Someone aided and helped him in his murderous scheme; they (whoever they are) should all be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

And with crud like giving the terrorist that attempted the Christmans Day bombing U.S. citizen constitutional protections and a lawer will only encourage more of this idiocy.

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RC

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And dropping bombs in Jordan will add thousands (possibly millions) of new jhadists to the conflict and cause the few allies we have to defect. Doesn't sound like a winning formula to me.

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And dropping bombs in Jordan will add thousands (possibly millions) of new jhadists to the conflict and cause the few allies we have to defect. Doesn't sound like a winning formula to me.

Well he was not living in Jordan when he conspired this suicide attempt, so why would one bomb Jordan. Start where he lived or visited and use extreme prejudice until the culprit conspiratory are found; dispenase with them immedaintely, and the next group will have a little more problem gathering supporters.

I saw this in a practicle application on the Isalnd of Roatan a number of years ago. I was living on a boat in a harbor and we were diving on a 16th century shipwreck. There was a small motel close to where we were anchored. Some one stole some jewelry from a tourist's room, and the Army came out from the mainland (Hondural). All the folks living on the island were black and spoke english, the mainland were hispanic and spoke manily spanish.

They came in three boats on an early Sunday morning, and surronded the area of houses where the employees of the hotel worked. The kicked in the door of the first house they came to dragged out the man of the house and beat him unmercifully, knocking out teeth, breaking an arm, etc. he finally convinced them that he had nothing to do with the thefts.

They went to the next house and dragged the man outside; he started screaming that he did not steal anything, but that his brother in law who lived in one of the houses had done so. They shackled the brother in law loaded him on the boat to the mainland; walla no more thefts.

I had just finished 18 months in Viet Nam so this did not seem to strange to me; and it worked. It would work with the terrorist also.

It is a war agaist folks who have no scruples against killing innocents and children; it would not be pretty, but it can be won.

Thank
RC