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Please try not to rewrite history.

Germany surrendered 2 monts after the Dresden fire bombing and the beginning of the intense carpet bombing.

RC, Dresden had nothing to do with the surrender of Germany. It is believed the Russians pumped more tonnage of artillery into Berlin alone then the all of the strategic bombers dropped over Germany combined that didn't make them surrender either. The bombing of Hamburg during operation Gomorrah in 1943 resulted in more than double the civilians killed. It was did wonders for Goebbels "Are we the German people going to surrender to those merciless savages who blah blah blah?"

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Japan surrnedered 6 days after we dropped Big Boy on them.

That is a nuke which is hardly what carpet bombing is. If you wish to nuke that is fine but it does change the conversation a little bit.

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Does it really matter who was pulling the trigger on the hell fire raining down on Germany, that is what wins wars. German Artillery, U.S. planes; doesnt' mattet, it worked, and would work again today in Afghanistan.

We followed the Germans all over the theater of war, even to Africa.

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Does it really matter who was pulling the trigger on the hell fire raining down on Germany, that is what wins wars. German Artillery, U.S. planes; doesnt' mattet, it worked, and would work again today in Afghanistan.

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We see how it worked for the Soviets.

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RC, if we fight yesterday's war, we will certainly loose

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We see how it worked for the Soviets.

The soviets were trying to annex a country, not win a war.

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RC, if we fight yesterday's war, we will certainly loose

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If we fight to win and forget political correctness; we win. Search and kill the enemy where ever they are at, and destroy whoever and whatever is protecting and aiding the enemy.

Thanks
RC

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Interesting that you forget the idea that the more we destroy, the more we have to rebuild in order to have peace.

The Marshal Plan:
It would commit the U.S. to Europe's recovery and cost $13 billion, equivalent to about $90 billion today.

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And who says the WE have to rebuild anything?

Thanks
RC

Common sense. The US cannot achieve world domination. Victory always creates a power vacuum. Afghanistan became the happy host of Bin Laden because the Taliban filled the power vacuum after the Russians left. And who is helping rebuild Iraq? Us'ns. Surely you can figure out why, given that it was always understood it would have to be rebuilt after years of embargo and two invasions. The previous administration sold the fantasy that Iraqi oil was going to pay for it.

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If we fight to win and forget political correctness; we win. Search and kill the enemy where ever they are at, and destroy whoever and whatever is protecting and aiding the enemy.

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Do you understand why they are fighting us in the first place? Do you understand what causes people to become radicalized? Or is your plan for us to use overwhelming fear and terror to control the world? Bomb them into pieces, until no one dares to questions the Best Nation On Earth?

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Well, shut my mouth..... I cannot refer to Afghanistan as "God-forsaken" now that it seems a it may not have to rely on poppy production.

U.S. geologists have discovered vast mineral wealth in Afghanistan, possibly amounting to $1 trillion, President Hamid Karzai's spokesman said Monday.

The New York Times reported the $1 trillion figure in Monday's edition and quoted senior American officials as saying untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan are far beyond any previously known reserves and were enough to fundamentally alter the Afghan economy and perhaps the Afghan war itself.

Now there may actually be something worth fighting over.

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Maybe we could strike a deal....

Afghanistan has no infrastructure to support the extraction of those minerals. In return for say 50% of the revenues, the US builds the infrastructure and proides security for the next 25 years or so.

I figure we're going to be there any how in some shape or form for a long time...why not have it paid for?

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Maybe we could strike a deal....

Afghanistan has no infrastructure to support the extraction of those minerals. In return for say 50% of the revenues, the US builds the infrastructure and proides security for the next 25 years or so.

I figure we're going to be there any how in some shape or form for a long time...why not have it paid for?

Is this going to be like our Iraqi oil deals?

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Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele was scrambling to contain the fallout over the holiday weekend from his remarks claiming Afghanistan is a "war of Obama's choosing," which the United States never really "wanted to engage in."

Conservative commentators and GOP lawmakers were virtually united in condemning the party chairman for the remarks, voicing their support for the escalating U.S. military campaign in the country while scolding Steele for his "uninformed" statement. Some called for his resignation, one senator demanded he apologize to the military and at least one local GOP official is considering challenging Steele for his post.

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Steele blasted for these statements:

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Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele was scrambling to contain the fallout over the holiday weekend from his remarks claiming Afghanistan is a "war of Obama's choosing," which the United States never really "wanted to engage in."

Conservative commentators and GOP lawmakers were virtually united in condemning the party chairman for the remarks, voicing their support for the escalating U.S. military campaign in the country while scolding Steele for his "uninformed" statement. Some called for his resignation, one senator demanded he apologize to the military and at least one local GOP official is considering challenging Steele for his post.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/04/steele-scrambles-contain-fallout-war-remark-gop-criticism-mounts/

Steele's statements are patently false. I'm going to cheer the majority of the GOP for condemning them and for still being committed to the Afghan war.

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LOL. It's like there's one big federal softball game and the R's are up to bat. Obama keeps lobbing floaters, but the R's just keep going down swinging.

-Dan.

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It's like there's one big federal softball game and the R's are up to bat. Obama keeps lobbing floaters,

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A court hearing is scheduled for Friday in the case of an Army officer who has refused to deploy to Afghanistan because, in his view, President Barack Obama has not proven that he was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin is scheduled to go before a judge in Virginia to enter a plea on charges that include disobeying a lawful order and dereliction of duty.

He is a decorated Army doctor and an 18-year veteran who is now facing court martial for disobeying orders to ship out for another tour of duty in Afghanistan.

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Yellow Birther facing Court Martial for refusing to go to Afghanistan:

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A court hearing is scheduled for Friday in the case of an Army officer who has refused to deploy to Afghanistan because, in his view, President Barack Obama has not proven that he was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.

Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin is scheduled to go before a judge in Virginia to enter a plea on charges that include disobeying a lawful order and dereliction of duty.

He is a decorated Army doctor and an 18-year veteran who is now facing court martial for disobeying orders to ship out for another tour of duty in Afghanistan.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/06/birther.court.martial/index.html?hpt=T1

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...say a prayer for the families of these slain aid workers.

KABUL, Afghanistan -- One gave up a lucrative practice to give free dental care to children who had never seen a toothbrush. Others had devoted whole decades of their lives to helping the Afghan people through war and deprivation.

The years of service ended in a hail of bullets in a remote valley of a land that members of the medical team had learned to love.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/08/AR2010080802126.html

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To win a war, you destroy and kill the enemy.

You destroy anyone and anything that is giving aid, protection, and/or support to the enemy.

When you take ground from the enemy, you hold that ground and take more ground.

Simple and effective.

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Morlock is accused of killing three Afghan civilian men -- two by shooting -- between January and May of this year. The third was the killing he described above.

The charging papers from the U.S. military paint a picture of a band of rogue soldiers, smoking hash, bored and plotting and carrying out murders of Afghan civilians for sport.

Gibbs is also accused of having kept fingers and leg bones as souvenirs, according to the documents. A soldier who tried to blow the whistle was beaten and threatened, some soldiers said.