RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and why?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/27/2008 3:56:45 PM
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ldzppln3
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I listen to alot of it:
Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Guns N' Roses, Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, AC/DC, The Doors, The Rolling Stones, Metallica, Megadeth, Bob Dylan, The Who, Deep Purple, Nirvana, Stone Temple Pilots, Iron Maiden, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Overkill, Motley Crue, Nine Inch Nails, Aerosmith, Yes, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, Van Halen, Foghat, The Velvet Underground, Lou Reed, Velvet Revolver, Ted Nugent, ZZ Top, Def Leppard, The Allman Brothers Band, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Beatles (Including all subsequent solo careers), Cream, Eric Clapton etc...
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/27/2008 4:02:38 PM
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Nothing that a minister would do -- youth pastor, assistant pastor, or pastor -- would amaze me. NOTHING!!! The assistant pastor where I used to attend would invite our children and the other children of the church over often and would show them R-rated movies without telling us. I learned about it and put my foot down on their attendance.
Then we went to San Francisco for a youth gathering/revival with a beloved speaker from the same church. I went along as one of the chaperons. My children were to spend the night different homes, and when my daughter, age 12-13 or so, came back, she told me that the home she spent the night in did the same thing after the "revival service."
Whaaaaaa?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 6/28/2008 10:08:28 PM
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Good thing I performed an exorcism on my Megadeth CDs and got the devil out of them.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/1/2008 12:45:28 PM
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I am a christian who loves to llisten to 50's, 60's and 70's rock. But I have my priorities and that is CCM music, particularly praise and worship music. Still, its neat taking a trip down memory lane with the music I grew up listening to.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/4/2008 8:25:45 AM
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Oh, I'm staying away all right...notice how I'm not jumping back into the "secular is good/bad" debate! Just srtolling down memory lane with the Tiajuana Brass!
Now, about KISS: I was a member of the "KISS Army" up until I was about 15. Back then, they were the coolest band out there. The cover of the "Alive!" album was the epitome of cool!
Nowadays? I find them even more juvenile and smutty than AC/DC! (Bad lyrics are bad lyrics, but I'd rather hear Bon Scott sing them than KISS, if I must hear them at all!).
They do rock, and they do put on a good show, and they are, if anything, masters of marketing. The "Alive!" album...I think it was their best, and I could probably enjoy it nowadays at some level. Maybe a few songs here and there ("Detroit Rock City" comes to mind)
I think they were all about making money and having women, not making music / art that has any lasting value. At least that's what I heard Gene Simmons say.
OK, I'm off topic, so I'll stop here! 
Blind "Lonely Bull" Lemon
(actually more abdominally challenged (life is hard, food is good) than optically challenged these days!  )
Yeah, KISS' 'Alive' cover WAS the coolest over thirty years ago, still is!!
So KISS sang about sex and all that, well, guess what: It's rock and roll, baby. And we all know where the term rock and roll came from.  No big surprise there.
But it does bug me that Gene Simmons is more about $$$ than art, he doesn't regard what he does as an art form but rather as a way to make money. It's burgers.
I don't really listen to much Christian-record-label music these days. It's predictable, and there are few good CCM (Cranium-Crushing Metal) bands
out there. If I find a good Christian metal band, I listen to it because it's
METAL, not because it makes a good accompaniment track to my Bible study devotions. I don't think in terms of "secular", I just think in terms of, is this metal face-baking?  Or does it spew cat-hairballs? 
Currently listening to "Headless Cross" by Black Sabbath.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/5/2008 7:44:43 PM
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A song is a song, to me. If I watch a play or a movie or a television show which has a main subject other than Jesus Himself, I think it'd be hypocritical of me to do otherwise with music. I like listening to all sorts of music.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/5/2008 9:53:38 PM
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I, personally, can't listen to it anymore. There are many reasons that I have behind it, but I won't go into all of the details unless some one really wants to know. It'll probably be a long post is why. But what about all of you? Do you listen to secular music still and if you do, why?
Every now and then. I watch secular TV and listen to secular talk radio (mike medved, sean baligian, jim rome, stoney and wojo, laura ingraham, and the sports inferno).
Secular music on average sounds much better than christian music. Christian artists need to be cutting edge and have more talent overall.
I don't buy it, but I listen occasionally. Love "Dani California" by Red Hot Chili Peppers and "UHF" by Weird Al.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/6/2008 4:00:35 PM
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1st Samuel ch 12 vs 21: And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor DELIVER; for they are vain. So what do we conclude from this verse? If it don't praise God it is vain and your wasting valuable time that you could be using to witness for God.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/6/2008 5:16:21 PM
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1st Samuel ch 12 vs 21: And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor DELIVER; for they are vain. So what do we conclude from this verse? If it don't praise God it is vain and your wasting valuable time that you could be using to witness for God.
So, by your witness, if all your shopping is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that shopping that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your game-playing is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that game-playing that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. are not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. that are not to the glory of G-d.
So what about those of us who do not believe that all music that does not mention Messiah's name is unacceptable? What about those of us who recognize that all things we do that are not evil ought to always be done for the glory of G-d -- even listening to music that does nnot mention His Name?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/6/2008 10:50:27 PM
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1st Samuel ch 12 vs 21: And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor DELIVER; for they are vain. So what do we conclude from this verse? If it don't praise God it is vain and your wasting valuable time that you could be using to witness for God.
So, by your witness, if all your shopping is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that shopping that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your game-playing is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that game-playing that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. are not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. that are not to the glory of G-d.
So what about those of us who do not believe that all music that does not mention Messiah's name is unacceptable? What about those of us who recognize that all things we do that are not evil ought to always be done for the glory of G-d -- even listening to music that does nnot mention His Name?
Why can't you spell HIS whole name?
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/6/2008 10:56:37 PM
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1st Samuel ch 12 vs 21: And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor DELIVER; for they are vain. So what do we conclude from this verse? If it don't praise God it is vain and your wasting valuable time that you could be using to witness for God.
So, by your witness, if all your shopping is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that shopping that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your game-playing is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that game-playing that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. are not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. that are not to the glory of G-d.
So what about those of us who do not believe that all music that does not mention Messiah's name is unacceptable? What about those of us who recognize that all things we do that are not evil ought to always be done for the glory of G-d -- even listening to music that does nnot mention His Name?
Well let me see, most of the actions you just mentioned are things you must and have to perform for necessary reasons. Can you tell me why you must listen to Godless secular music? Is it you can't let go of the World but you still want to try to hold on to God. Can't have it both ways. If you want to serve God then serve Him. If not serve mammon then. Try to keep as much of the world out of your life as possible so God can have as much room as possible. Unless you're afraid to give Him any room.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/6/2008 10:57:53 PM
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1st Samuel ch 12 vs 21: And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor DELIVER; for they are vain. So what do we conclude from this verse? If it don't praise God it is vain and your wasting valuable time that you could be using to witness for God.
So, by your witness, if all your shopping is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that shopping that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your game-playing is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that game-playing that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. are not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. that are not to the glory of G-d.
So what about those of us who do not believe that all music that does not mention Messiah's name is unacceptable? What about those of us who recognize that all things we do that are not evil ought to always be done for the glory of G-d -- even listening to music that does nnot mention His Name?
Well let me see, most of the actions you just mentioned are things you must and have to perform for necessary reasons. Can you tell me why you must listen to Godless secular music? Is it you can't let go of the World but you still want to try to hold on to God. Can't have it both ways. If you want to serve God then serve Him. If not serve mammon then. Try to keep as much of the world out of your life as possible so God can have as much room as possible. Unless you're afraid to give Him any room.
Oh and one other thing, I didn't make the rules, GOD did. Let a little bit of the world in and that's all the enemy needs to mess you up.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 1:37:35 AM
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Well let me see, most of the actions you just mentioned are things you must and have to perform for necessary reasons. Really?? Wow, I counted 9 necessary and 5 unnecessary, but that's all right. I was just asking a question, and you answered it. I appreciate that.
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Can you tell me why you must listen to Godless secular music? Is it you can't let go of the World but you still want to try to hold on to God. Can't have it both ways. If you want to serve God then serve Him. If not serve mammon then. Try to keep as much of the world out of your life as possible so God can have as much room as possible. Unless you're afraid to give Him any room. . . . Oh and one other thing, I didn't make the rules, GOD did. Let a little bit of the world in and that's all the enemy needs to mess you up.
I am not being facetious to write that I have not read anything in the Bible that restricts music for me; can you give me some verses?
Also, can you define what music is holy enough for you to listen to. Wow, I feel bad asking, because I fear the answer. Rather, I fear how I may answer your answer.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 8:06:40 AM
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1st Samuel ch 12 vs 21: And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor DELIVER; for they are vain. So what do we conclude from this verse? If it don't praise God it is vain and your wasting valuable time that you could be using to witness for God.
So, by your witness, if all your shopping is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that shopping that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your game-playing is not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit that game-playing that is not to the glory of G-d. So, by your witness, if all your driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. are not to the glory of G-d, you need to quit driving, working, mowing the lawn, going to the bathroom, eating, drinking, sleeping, reading, painting, bathing, wearing shoes, Internetting, etc. that are not to the glory of G-d.
So what about those of us who do not believe that all music that does not mention Messiah's name is unacceptable? What about those of us who recognize that all things we do that are not evil ought to always be done for the glory of G-d -- even listening to music that does nnot mention His Name?
Why can't you spell HIS whole name?
With his moniker Covaan_Meshuga you might be able to infer that he is of Jewish ancestry. It is very common for Jewish people to spell God "G-d" as a sign of respect for His Holy Name. I hope that answers your question.
BTW, I think that it is a nice gesture of respect too!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 9:01:11 AM
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Not all secular music can be classified as "Godless", only that which endorses Godless behavior or obviously sinful activities. It is not Godless to sing a song about a life exxperience, good or bad. A song can be descriptive, but not necessarily prescriptive.
It's Godless if we spend the majority of our time entertaining ourselves. That's where I personally run into trouble and must guard against.
It's not Godless if I listen to Louis Armstrong's Hot Fives And Sevens (secular music that I find joyous and uplifting) or Beethoven while cleaning my house. I'm listening for the sheer enjoyment of the music, the artistry of it.
Personally, I hear God's glory on display when I hear a finely crafted piece of music. It doesn't have to be overtly Christian in content for me to realize that.
Use discernment by all means when approaching any secular entertainment. But don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Evaluate everything on a song-by-song basis. If it hinders you in your walk with the Lord, by all means don't listen to it.
I've already written enough on this subject matter in previous threads, so at the risk of repeating myself, I'll stop here.
Blessings.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 9:45:11 AM
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Can't listening to p&w music ALL the time put you in the category of vain repetition of words because I can't believe the people that listen to JUST this type of music are in an attitute of praise & worship EVERY time they listen to it. Sometimes I think people do it more as a showoff as to how Christian they are than to praise him!
"In praying, don't use vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their much speaking." Matthew 6:7
BTW, I am speaking in generalities and not directing these comments towards any poster in particular so spare me the personal affrontage!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 10:05:34 AM
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I don't think P&W is the music that 1970Rodney listens too. It appears he is a Southern Gospel fan.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 10:22:10 AM
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With his moniker Covaan_Meshuga you might be able to infer that he is of Jewish ancestry. I would also add the he is actually a she.
Rodney should probably have read the whole thread instead of just shooting his mouth off.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 6:50:23 PM
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With his moniker Covaan_Meshuga you might be able to infer that he is of Jewish ancestry. I would also add the he is actually a she.
Rodney should probably have read the whole thread instead of just shooting his mouth off.
A little touchy there aren't we.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 7:01:22 PM
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I don't think P&W is the music that 1970Rodney listens too. It appears he is a Southern Gospel fan.
I do like SGM but I also like CCM, THird Day, Mercy Me, Jeremy Camp, etc. Don't have a problem with praise and worship at all. If it glorifies Christ and I can understand it, I love it.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/7/2008 7:04:38 PM
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With his moniker Covaan_Meshuga you might be able to infer that he is of Jewish ancestry. I would also add the he is actually a she.
Rodney should probably have read the whole thread instead of just shooting his mouth off.
Hey there was a question posed and I just answered it the way I felt. Everything I had read so far had been various opinions and that was mine. Thought this was some sort of Christian forum but I could be wrong. But you know what if you don't like the answer don't ask the question.
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/8/2008 12:00:00 PM
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We still listen to it - mainly 60's/70's that we grew up with. I don't listen to it a lot. And usually if the songs are really "bad" from what I thought they were earlier, I'll switch it back to the Christian radio station.
I would say that we listen about 80% Christian and 20% secular. Before becoming a true Christian, I never listened or heard of Christian radio stations!
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RE: Secular Music.....How many of you listen to it and ... - 7/8/2008 1:01:37 PM
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With his moniker Covaan_Meshuga you might be able to infer that he is of Jewish ancestry. I would also add the he is actually a she.
Rodney should probably have read the whole thread instead of just shooting his mouth off.
Thanks uncabeeil for that info. No disrespect intended Covaan! I should've known from the avatar.
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