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RE: War in Iraq - 7/13/2009 11:09:03 AM
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rlj
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7 Iraqi churches have been attacked in the last 3 days: quote:
At least three children were wounded in Monday's attack in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, an Interior Ministry official told CNN. The car bomb exploded in the morning, damaging the church in the al-Faisaliya district of eastern Mosul. Six churches in and around Baghdad were bombed over the weekend, leaving four dead, officials told CNN. A total of 35 people have been wounded in the wave of attacks, including the three children Monday. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/13/iraq.church.bombings/index.html
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RE: War in Iraq - 7/13/2009 2:07:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: rlj 7 Iraqi churches have been attacked in the last 3 days: quote:
At least three children were wounded in Monday's attack in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, an Interior Ministry official told CNN. The car bomb exploded in the morning, damaging the church in the al-Faisaliya district of eastern Mosul. Six churches in and around Baghdad were bombed over the weekend, leaving four dead, officials told CNN. A total of 35 people have been wounded in the wave of attacks, including the three children Monday. http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/13/iraq.church.bombings/index.html Oh people that is very frustrating and sad, some people cannot live regular normal lives around there and other parts in the world. There is such short brakes between war and peace. There are growing causalities in Afghanistan...and the list of dead and those who mourning is growing. The realities of war is very heavy and really depressing. May the Lord renew the strenght of all who are exhausted worned out.
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RE: US Troops may stay beyond 2011 - 7/31/2009 3:12:27 AM
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Pres. Bush administration misrepresented the existence of WMD/s in Iraq, as an excuse to go to war, no doubt to protect his buddies and his business interests in Saudi Arabia. 100,000 to one million innocent civilians killed in Iraq by this administrations actions..Does this sound like a Christian administration? No, far from it..Mr Bush should be tried for war crimes because of this action! God bless us all!
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RE: US Troops may stay beyond 2011 - 8/1/2009 12:08:55 PM
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rlj
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Senators are urging that KBR return bonus' for the shoddy work they did in Iraq: quote:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two Democratic senators called on the Pentagon to take back more than $83 million in bonuses paid to military contractor KBR after a Defense Department report criticized its electrical work on U.S. bases overseas. "I want them to tell us on what basis can they possibly continue to justify having paid $83 million of the taxpayers' money for shoddy work that resulted in risk to our soldiers," Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota told reporters Friday. Dorgan said he and Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania are pressing Defense Department officials to reclaim $83.4 million in bonus payments it awarded KBR for its work in Iraq. http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/31/military.electrocutions/index.html
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/3/2009 2:27:01 AM
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ORIGINAL: stephanos In Romans 13, Paul tells us the power given to Governments by the will of God. It says that Governments are not given the sword for nothing. And in this text, the sword means Justice. The right of the Governments to punish those who do wrong. Sometimes that is an indivudual guilty of a crime. But other times it is a nation guilty of larger crimes. This fact is undeniable. I just wanted to refer to this section for identification, but your entire composition is excellent !
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RE: War in Iraq - 8/3/2009 2:42:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: lovebabies It is more satanic than anything else! It's no more, or less satanic than anything else or any man made progressive order of affairs. I'll agree that this so-called administration is the biggest freak show that I wouldn't have thought would come to fruition in this country, however. That being said, Jesus is the ONLY One who can boldly proclaim that "My Kingdom is not of this world."
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RE: War in Iraq - 9/9/2009 2:52:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: rockominal quote:
ORIGINAL: stephanos In Romans 13, Paul tells us the power given to Governments by the will of God. It says that Governments are not given the sword for nothing. And in this text, the sword means Justice. The right of the Governments to punish those who do wrong. Sometimes that is an indivudual guilty of a crime. But other times it is a nation guilty of larger crimes. This fact is undeniable. I just wanted to refer to this section for identification, but your entire composition is excellent ! Except for the fine print in Romans 13 which states that this only applies for policies enacted by Republican administrations. IOW, It's true only part of the time.
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RE: War in Iraq - 10/9/2009 5:05:29 PM
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"JOINT BASE BALAD, Iraq — There is no more visible sign that America is putting the Iraq war behind it than the colossal operation to get its stuff out: 20,000 soldiers, nearly a sixth of the force here, assigned to a logistical effort aimed at dismantling some 300 bases and shipping out 1.5 million pieces of equipment, from tanks to coffee makers. It is the largest movement of soldiers and matériel in more than four decades, the military said. By itself, such a withdrawal would be daunting, but it is further complicated by attacks from an insurgency that remains active; the sensitivities of the Iraqi government about a visible American presence; disagreements with the Iraqis about what will be left for them; and consideration for what equipment is urgently needed in Afghanistan. " Leaving Iraq..
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RE: War in Iraq - 10/21/2009 2:04:16 PM
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tinydancer2
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"New Iraq realities bring much more down time CONTINGENCY OPERATING BASE ADDER, Iraq — Pfc. Adrian Vesik heard that war could be hell. He was happy to discover when he arrived in Iraq earlier this year that his war experience also would include salsa dancing, yoga and martial-arts classes. “When I signed up for the Army, I thought I was going to be a hero — go out and do some fighting,” says Vesik, 19, during a break at a Filipino-Okinawan jujitsu class. “I haven’t come close to doing anything that I was trained to do. I work, maybe, four to five hours a day. I have time to try all these new things. It’s not so bad.” Because of new rules that require Iraqi approval for all U.S. missions, and a general decline in violence nationwide, many of the 117,000 U.S. troops stationed in Iraq say they now have more idle time than at any previous point in the six-year war. Combat is still a daily reality in some parts of Iraq, and U.S. troops are being killed here at a rate of about one a week." ArmyTimes
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RE: War in Iraq - 10/21/2009 4:44:50 PM
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rlj
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Because of new rules that require Iraqi approval for all U.S. missions, and a general decline in violence nationwide, many of the 117,000 U.S. troops stationed in Iraq say they now have more idle time than at any previous point in the six-year war. I think that is very very nice. :D
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RE: War in Iraq - 11/8/2009 7:14:04 AM
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rlj
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96% of the population of Iraq is Muslim. If Muslim is purely a religion of hatred and destruction as we have been hearing for years on this thread and again in the Ft. Hood thread, why did we even bother attempting Operation Iraqi Freedom? All we've done is taken the focal point of Iraqi oppression from Saddam and given it to the Muslims. This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace?
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RE: War in Iraq - 11/9/2009 12:38:00 PM
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Iraq's parliament ended weeks of debate Sunday and passed a long-delayed law paving the way for the planned January election to go forward, sidestepping a crisis that could have delayed the U.S. troop withdrawal. ............. Under the president's plan, all U.S. combat troops will be out of Iraq by the end of August, leaving about 50,000 trainers and support troops, who in turn would leave by the end of 2011. Link
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RE: War in Iraq - 11/9/2009 12:39:19 PM
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wing2000
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This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace? good question.
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RE: War in Iraq - 11/9/2009 4:25:54 PM
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rlj
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This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace? good question. Interesting thought I had Wing. Some of the same people calling Muslims a bunch of terrorists who need eliminating are some of the same ones telling us "on the right track, stay the course, 100 years of never ending tours until the job is done". I just don't get it.
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RE: War in Iraq - 11/10/2009 5:01:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: rlj quote:
ORIGINAL: wing2000 quote:
This is a conflict that cannot possibly be won if the hard line critics of Islam are correct, so why did so many of them support this war in the first place knowing it cannot possibly be won because of the religion of 96% of the populace? good question. Interesting thought I had Wing. Some of the same people calling Muslims a bunch of terrorists who need eliminating are some of the same ones telling us "on the right track, stay the course, 100 years of never ending tours until the job is done". I just don't get it. It's a misunderstanding of other religions in light of their own ethnocentric (read: redneck American) mindset. The Bush Administration had no idea of the type of tribal warfare that would ensue upon removing Sadaam from power, even though we were not under any threat from Sadaam. People associate terrorism with Islam, but terrorism is really associated with any idea that may seek to strike terror to accomplish a goal. Timothy McVeigh comes to mind. Eric Rudolph, they guy who killed George Tiller, Mormons could be considered terrorists in the 1800's, the Crusaders could be considered terrorists, the Hindus have been killing the Christians in India, both Christians and Muslims were terrorizing each other in Lebanon, Jewish terrorists bombed the King David Hotel before Israeli statehood, etc. Terrorism is not just limited to one ideology or religion, but that's what people see, particularly Americans. They ignore the fact that terrorism against Christians in India has been on the rise in recent years by Hindus. The Catholics aren't too kind to Christians in South America either. The short of it is ignorance.
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RE: War in Iraq - 11/10/2009 5:36:04 PM
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rlj
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I agree with you except for this: quote:
The Bush Administration had no idea of the type of tribal warfare that would ensue upon removing Sadaam from power, even though we were not under any threat from Sadaam. After we won Iraq 1 and there was the controversy over whether or not we should have left Saddam in power one reason given was he was the glue that held the country together. Remove him from power, there would be anarchy and the time and cost of occupying Iraq would be far greater than any benefit gained over leaving him in power. Sadly Rummy and Cheney both were part of that administration and helped arrive at the conclusion. During the wargames for Iraq in the planning stage it was made clear that 400k or so troops would be needed to pacify the country after the ouster of Saddam. A good precedent for that would have been Yugoslavia which was held together by the force of Tito's will more than anything else. Yugoslavia barely lasted a decade after his death.
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RE: War in Iraq - 11/13/2009 2:36:20 PM
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mapachito13
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ORIGINAL: rlj I agree with you except for this: quote:
The Bush Administration had no idea of the type of tribal warfare that would ensue upon removing Sadaam from power, even though we were not under any threat from Sadaam. After we won Iraq 1 and there was the controversy over whether or not we should have left Saddam in power one reason given was he was the glue that held the country together. Remove him from power, there would be anarchy and the time and cost of occupying Iraq would be far greater than any benefit gained over leaving him in power. Sadly Rummy and Cheney both were part of that administration and helped arrive at the conclusion. During the wargames for Iraq in the planning stage it was made clear that 400k or so troops would be needed to pacify the country after the ouster of Saddam. A good precedent for that would have been Yugoslavia which was held together by the force of Tito's will more than anything else. Yugoslavia barely lasted a decade after his death. Iraq and Yugoslavia are just two countries formed after the War to Begin All Wars - World War I. I think the Europeans purposely threw these groups together so the countries would be unstable and incohesive. The reasoning behind this escapes me but look at how ethnicity has caused the splitting of many countries formed after the Armistice. Yugoslavia is a prime example but also look at the breakup of Czechoslovakia which thankfully was spared the bloodshed of the Yugoslavic breakup. Tito and Saddam used their iron dictatorial grip to keep their respective ethnic mixes under control but that cannot work in a supposed democracy where everyone has a say.
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RE: War in Iraq - 12/20/2009 9:09:25 PM
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tacitus
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Iraq and Yugoslavia are just two countries formed after the War to Begin All Wars - World War I. I think the Europeans purposely threw these groups together so the countries would be unstable and incohesive. The reasoning behind this escapes me but look at how ethnicity has caused the splitting of many countries formed after the Armistice. I don't believe there was any real ulterior motive of instability when Iraq was carved out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire, it was merely the continuation of a practice that a power like the British Empire had been doing all over Africa and Asia for decades. They decided that it should include Baghdad and Basra as the two metropolitan centers, and went from there with little regard for issues of tribal and religious loyalties. As for Yugoslavia, the ideal of a "greater homeland" had been in the works by Serb and Croat nationalists long before WW1 -- more than a century in fact -- and became a specific goal when it was clear that the Austro-Hungarian empire was going to collapse. The Serbs were the ones with the power at the end on the war and were in the best to negotiate the creation of Yugoslavia as things shook out after the fighting stopped. Given that instability in Serbia had been the spark that ignited the War To End All Wars (hah!) the last thing the victorious powers would have wanted is a continuation of the problems. Both these cases are the legacy of Empire, and will likely continue to be the case for many decades or even centuries to come. The break up of the Soviet Union has cause many nationalist issues that are not even close to being resolved, and should the Chinese Communist government ever fall, then there will be another huge mess to sort out there too.
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