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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/26/2010 10:55:37 AM
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car2nist
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if nothing else, you can have some funny stories about stoned mages who think they can tank, tanks who don't use shields and dps warriors who forget not to taunt, etc.
I had fun last night with some guildies...I usually heal and others dps and tank. One of our tanks wanted to heal so I brought an alt to dps and my husband brought his tank (he does it very well). We ran a regular lich king dungeon...what a hoot! We had one very patient pugger with us, and a few that popped in and out between bosses.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/26/2010 1:10:21 PM
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I heal, I like to heal, it's a blast :D
I usually tend to stay in groups with people until everyone is done with the instance, mainly because my toon is only a lvl 52, and I want the XP.
But sometimes when I only want to run a daily, I just stay until the dungeon is complete and bolt.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/27/2010 9:19:59 AM
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Wife and I ran some Lich King dungeons last night with a guildie and some random puggers through the random dungeon interface. Before wife logged on, we ran heroic Violet Hold in what seemed to be about 18-20 minutes tops. Once Amy logged on, we ran HoL and Culling of Strat. Those were the ones with a couple snotty players that popped out on us, or were useless.
So story about a random pugger.
We go into HoL, the level 79 warrior tank immediately starts grabbing everything. We keep it together, then he charges the general before any of us were ready. Wipeout. He complains and leaves. Thank goodness. We eventually get a good tank and off we go. Went pretty smooth after that. Still had a couple player changes but all in all a good run.
I really like this random dungeon finder.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/27/2010 9:11:52 PM
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car2nist
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sometimes you get a very good player...if not you get some interesting stories to tell.
We ran Naxxramus, well, two of the bosses. We had two puggers. One left after the first boss so we did the 2nd with only 9 of us. He said that if we run another raid next week he'd like to join us. I hope he can. He did well. Three cheers for our two tanks who made healing easy!
And I forgot to take a screen shot for our facebook page and website....argh.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/29/2010 9:39:47 AM
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That's alright...gotta start somewhere. Tanks get in to dungeons the quickest so you'll have plenty of opportunity to learn stuff. And if you read online what most of the major bosses do differently, that will help. There is one boss in Violet Hold that still wipes us cause we haven't figured out how to counter his unique attack (something about clicking on the red levers). Hall of Reflection on heroic mode is very difficult for us. Occulus we pretty much have a handle on but you have to know the bosses tricks. If you can solve the puzzle of the special attacks it becomse much easier...otherwise forget it.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/29/2010 11:28:47 AM
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Do any of you play both Alliance and Horde? Do you think there's a difference between the attitudes of people who play?
I play Alliance, and my few trips to the Horde side of things have ranged from interesting to awful.
I'm leveling an Orc Shammy and while I was in Ogrimmar trade was discussing Blizzard customer service and how everyone gets put on hold forever. When they started talking about the music they play while on hold, one guy said he had to hear some "gay Alliance ****". Even a friend of mine who's switched server/faction says people just really hate the Alliance.
I was leveling a Blood Elf rogue on another occaision and while in Ghostlands, i pulled too many mobs. I counted myself lucky because a priest and a hunter came running up behind me. I asked for help, and they just stood there and watched me die. I then asked for a rez, and they proceeded to talk trash about what a newb I was on General. I was so mad, I haven't played on that server since. I don't want to be somewhere where people think that's cool.
As for my server, on Alliance: we just don't care about Horde. It sucks when they take wintergrasp, and nobody likes getting ganked here and there, but nobody on trade cares one way or the other.
What do you think? Ever notice a difference?
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/29/2010 1:29:13 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Tarox
Do any of you play both Alliance and Horde? Do you think there's a difference between the attitudes of people who play?
I play Alliance, and my few trips to the Horde side of things have ranged from interesting to awful.
I'm leveling an Orc Shammy and while I was in Ogrimmar trade was discussing Blizzard customer service and how everyone gets put on hold forever. When they started talking about the music they play while on hold, one guy said he had to hear some "gay Alliance ****". Even a friend of mine who's switched server/faction says people just really hate the Alliance.
I was leveling a Blood Elf rogue on another occaision and while in Ghostlands, i pulled too many mobs. I counted myself lucky because a priest and a hunter came running up behind me. I asked for help, and they just stood there and watched me die. I then asked for a rez, and they proceeded to talk trash about what a newb I was on General. I was so mad, I haven't played on that server since. I don't want to be somewhere where people think that's cool.
As for my server, on Alliance: we just don't care about Horde. It sucks when they take wintergrasp, and nobody likes getting ganked here and there, but nobody on trade cares one way or the other.
What do you think? Ever notice a difference?
I play both as my main is alliance shadow priest but my arena main is a tauren druid whom the 5 man team we retired. I have leveled both factions multiple toons to lvl 80.
There is a huge attitude. It tends to change from server to server but as a whole I tend to find majority of the mature people tend to be Horde while Alliance tends to be the teens. I got lucky in the guild I am in. We full of professionals and kids in it are kids of guildies. thats the only new kids that are allowed into the guild.
as for the really hating the factions. you have to understand the lore of the game fully. horde have an intense hatred for anyone alliance. i am unsure how to explain space goats and blood elves. but the older races are easily explained. i tend to help some of lower levels get a kill but i wont on a pvp server. its what i love and i will gank you in a heartbeat. man up if play a pvp server if cant run with the big dogs stay on a care bear server.
are you on a new server? because the servers i mainly play on its a hatred for the opposing faction
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/31/2010 10:51:39 AM
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I have mostly played Horde for the last 3 years. However, I have dabbled on the Alliance side from time to time then finally played a warrior up to 60. Also rolled an ally DK once.
I have found that both factions can be equally immature. Yet, as a general observation, I have found the horde side to have more players that "get it" than I have seen in the alliance. By that I mean, exercising tactics, group dynamics, and managing group roles in dungeons. These are the guys you want in your group - players with maturity. You know the immature players in a dungeon group, they are trash talking others, telling them their gear sucks, they are playing their class wrong, or whine about loot and rolls.
This is not anything absolute, and there are more than enough players in both factions to completely ruin this observation, but that is just a generality. Your mileage may vary.
Personally I tend to stop and help lower level players if they pulled too many mobs - unless... they have demonstrated their "newbishness" earlier by challenging everyone to duels and trash/filthy talking in general/trade/yell/say channels. I am not saying that is always the reason why someone will let you suffer it out, but if I see someone like that, I will watch them die before I help them. At other times, I have not helped if I thought that if it were me, I could handle it. So it just depends.
Side note, once as a 20-something alliance warrior on some server (can't remember which) I got jumped on by several mobs I should have been able to handle and had a group of 3 allies not only watch me die, but then laughed at me, spit on me, and call me an uber-noob. One of the guys then ran a macro that did a whisper to me that gave me the finger in ascii art and then left a foul message. So mature, such exemplary behavior from "the light" 
And there have been many times as a lowbie that I have wished the lvl 60 standing there getting the ore node I was going after would kill the 5 mobs that jumped me as I tried to get it. I figure that guy is either a kid, or a frustrated old dude like me that has been robbed of ore nodes all day by snotty kids and was tired of it.
So when I play, I have turned off general and trade chat channels on both factions, and often the local defense channel also. So many people are doing this on my main server that the idiots have resorted to "say" and "yell" because no one wants to listen to them.
Finally, my wife is a high school teacher (recently taking a break from that to teach at home) and her teen students complained about the alliance "kids". So we primarily play Horde, but play alliance from time to time just to do something different.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/31/2010 1:01:03 PM
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I find that if I ignore trade channel, life is better. I am on a care-bear server, not because I don't pvp....I enjoy battlegrounds and hold my own farming wintergrasp, etc... but because there are good people in my guilds.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 1/31/2010 1:19:43 PM
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trade channel needs to be used for what it was. take the AH away and see how long the immaturity stays.
car2ner, the care bear comment is what any hard core pvper calls pve servers. its the safety issue so many flock to. i started on dune maul way back.and love that server.i mainly play there, black dragonflight and scarlet crusade((rp nut someone asked me to rp i told them to get lost lol))
i love pvp cause it teaches you to fully learn your toon. no safe spots outside a few so you need to be on your best skills.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/1/2010 8:39:24 AM
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Well, no matter how much they may not like the alliance, I found out that Horde can be pretty cool.
I have a level 12 orc warrior on a pvp server, and while strolling in Orgrimmar the other day, I saw this:
"LFM VoA 10, pst with stats" I felt like being funny and sent the guy this: 305hp, 5dps. I got an invite!
That lasted 5 seconds, then I got the boot  But I brushed myself off and kept an eye on trade. Eventually, "LFM For the Horde!" So I sent "invite me". Another invite 
I played it cool for a while, and eventually, in party chat: "Hey Paul, you're gonna heal this !@#$in level 12 ok?" "Yeah, sure thing!" SO I said "Hey guys. I'm good for this." They lol'd and the one guy actually changed characters so I could ride on his multi-person mammoth. I got a lock summon, hopped on, and made it all the way through SW to the tram. Unfortunately, it's a high pop server, and we weren't very stealthy, so there were tons of alliance folks waiting in tinker town.
Tons of fun, I've never seen horde so cool, and they're some of the coolest folks I've run into on the game
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/1/2010 9:37:06 AM
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horde are awesome. Tarox, that was a great post.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/1/2010 5:27:50 PM
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the care bear comment is what any hard core pvper calls pve servers.
yup...I've heard that before. A hard core pvper on Eve Online used that term frequently. But I am glad you defined it so that others who might not know can get the drift.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/2/2010 8:55:27 AM
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neuro, ganking is the way of life. thats what always happens and its coming soon with cata opening flying in azeroth. what i meant is when you in cloth and burn down two plate wearers of same lvl as you because they habve no idea how to play their class.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/2/2010 5:55:49 PM
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"Care Bear" was a PvE-only term used in Guild Wars lingo, too. I played that for a few years, but only toyed with WoW for about a month. MMORPGs require more time than I'm willing to give a game these days, or perhaps it's mostly the idea of pay(and pay, and pay, and pay, and pay)-to-play.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/2/2010 9:39:52 PM
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or a guy who levels a warrior druid or pally as deeps then thinks i can talent and be a tank. you get 15 guys throwing 9k dps each you best know how to hold aggro lol.
i tend to gank those lowbies who think they can attack me. i will stand and watch the questing/grinding. if they acknowledge me and salute, wave, any of that i return the gesture or even bow to them then ride on. a rude gesture or move to attack i destroy them then laugh and ride on
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/3/2010 9:02:01 AM
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Wow, I ran into some idiot last night. Wife and I were in random dungeon together, ended up in Drak'Tharon with 1 guy from our server and 2 others. We downed the end boss and then the group leader kicked us out of the group before anyone could loot or get emblems.
Wife and I each filed a ticket on him, so did the guy on our realm. Wife created a toon on other realm and pst'ed the other guy and he filed a ticket also.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/3/2010 9:36:34 AM
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yeah randoms really bring out the jerks in people ... i see people talk even more rudely, i guess knowing odds are tiny someone will ever group with him again, let alone remember...
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/4/2010 12:02:27 PM
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the only good thing about trade channel some days is you get to find out who the loud mouths and braggers are. I do leave trade channel on because everynow and then I get a LF Jewelcrafter and that can mean a good tip (I finally have a bunch of popular epic cuts).
My poor mom had two groups yesterday that wiped right off the bat and then three of the five abandoned the group, leaving her and the other dpser standing there with noone to contiue the dungeon with,,,and in one case the mobs were on the way to them already! I checked my mom's gear and it is decent for her level...and she checked her dps, she was 2nd from the top.
On the other hand, if I get a good group, I always say thanks...
as far as ganking in pvp, since I am no a pve server I only attack if someone is flagged (most likely just gotten out of a battle ground) or we are in Wintergrasp. I don't fuss if they take me out and then again when I get rezed at half health since I started the fight. I also will leave someone well enough to learn or even help them if they /wave or /bow, usually.
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RE: World of Warcraft - 2/4/2010 4:04:18 PM
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Ok, I have had several emails and ticket exchanges with Blizz about the "getting kicked from group" thing I wrote about in my last post.
I was assured by the gm that no one player can kick all members, there is a limit of 1 kick based on a vote by all members.
I also know that each of the 4 of us summarily were ejected from the group. So I don't know. Perhaps shellcase is innocent and this is just a glitch in the dungeon grouping system.
Well, they did send me and my wife our 2 emblems of triumph through in-game mail. That was all I really wanted.
But I am keeping my eye out for exploits around the random dungeon grouping system. If this is a glitch or an exploit, it could be bad for the game in general.
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